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Well you should know if you claim they already happened. It is ridiculous to make such a claim. Never has, for example a third of all plant life on earth been burned up. In the new heaven and earth, there is no sea. Did you think that meant there are no people!?

Most religions think they have light. Are you suggesting the AC will ignore them all and claim only to be Jesus? I see, you wave away the mountains to get things to fit as you need them to. OK So when that we see something like this- Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it...

OK, so let's look at that. 6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was...

I notice in the fourth seal it says 1/4 of mankind died. When was that? 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with...

The Tribulation. Demons and Satan falling from above, demons from bottomless pit, the AntiChrist, etc.

He was talking to them. He also talks to us all. That is why the bible is a living book and speaks to us. In the case of the prophesy about the end, He is specifically telling us that those people alive when those things start to happen will know their redemption is near. He also did some of...

As far as I can tell so far, He comes to take us away before the wrath starts. All the seals are part of the wrath I think. So I think it probably goes something like this...just before all hell breaks loose He comes back for us in the air. Then the Tribulation. Then the marriage supper. Then we...

Yes we will.

Does the gathering together in the air have to be in every chapter? Is there something in this chapter that you feel says there will be no gathering in the air?

That depends if you try to move it all to the day Jesus and us return to earth.

Why even talk about second death when it comes to believers? When you talk about His return you conflate the Rapture with the second coming. The bible does not say what that the 1000 yrs are for exactly. The world certainly will be full of the word of God though. That is also after the...

A lot happens when He comes including the 1000 years at the end of which the dead are judged. Don't try to stuff it all into lunch time

You are hinging your case on the trumpets being the same. You need more.

Not in body. Anyone alive when they start to see the signs

Luke 21:25 "There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, Luke 21:26 men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be...

So whatever reasons God has can all be shoved into the little box of your opinion of His reasons. Move over God! How come the second coming is during the seventh then? Rev 11:15 15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are...

So those who do not agree with your opinion not only are not taken up in the air to be with Jesus, but atone for their 'sins' for 1000 years. Got it.

So not topical to the Rapture then. OK The thread is about the Rapture when He comes for His saints not when He comes back with them later. Well, actually there are multitudes that are saved in that time. Anything but dead. I don't need to shed. Jesus will take care of that. The thing is...

Conflating the saved and unsaved is not Scripture, it is an exercise in projecting opinion onto Scripture. Nothing to do with the Rapture. That is just good advice.

Chapter and verse? 2 Thessalonians 3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith That would be unsaved. As for the people in the church that walked disorderly, keeping them at a distance has zero to do with the Rapture. Great, so what? That has...