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  1. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Yes, I have been repeating myself. Repeatedly. I'm aware of this. Because I've been repeatedly begging for you to show...with scripture...that you can back up your assumptions. That we have reached this point and you have given nothing but your own assertions that you are right and I am wrong...
  2. Naomi25

    Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

    Why would you see Christ as the Scapegoat, rather than the 'sacrifice' goat? The Scapegoat was released into the wilderness, and the sacrficed one was, well, sacrificed, it's blood spilled. And we know that Christ had his blood spilled for us. So...you want to convince people to warp scripture...
  3. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    I still fail to see your point. Yes, I agree that only Jews who believe in both God and Christ are 'saved' and members of the body, and are therefore no longer "Jew or Gentile". But there is nothing in Romans 9-11 that suggests that God, when he turns his attentions back to the Jews, will...
  4. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    It's completely valid. And I'm not attempting to use the different contexts of the different verses to prove my point in Rev 3:10, all I am showing is that in Revelation, the phrase "those who dwell on the earth" is consistently used as the wicked inhabitants of the earth. Let's look at them...
  5. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    A person who is a liar is someone who deliberately tells an untruth with a view to decieve others. Dispensationalists believe wholeheartedly what they preach. Saying that "lying is the natural language" also implies that everything that they say is also a lie, that nothing they say can be...
  6. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Because you have kept my word about patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial that is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell on the earth. -Revelation 3:10 It was a paraphrase, not a direct quote. Sorry, I didn't realize you needed me to be so strict to make my point...
  7. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Oh, calm your farm, I did no such thing. You probably wish I had, that would make it much easier to dismiss everything I say. But, whatever. But...if we look throughout Revelation and at the phrase "those who dwell on the earth" (as in Rev 3:10, to whom the hour of testing is coming), we see...
  8. Naomi25

    Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

    An answer would have been a "yes" or "no". Followed by whatever qualification you deemed needed. Instead you make a cryptic remark that could mean that God leads all Christ does, or thinks...or it could of meant that you see them as one being. Or it could have meant that you see them as separate...
  9. Naomi25

    Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

    Wildly enough, I actually understood the words you wrote this time. And boy are you on the wrong track. Have you even read the bible? The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! -John 1:29 For while we were still weak...
  10. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Come now, context! This passage is hardly talking about a division between Israel and the Gentiles, and thus can be made into a case for the Rapture! This is talking about the division between believers and unbelievers and the growing hostility between them. Nothing more.
  11. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Oh, what absolute rubbish! I have never heard anything that ridiculous in my life! As I've said before...I know, and have known many 'pretribbers' and not only haven't they been liars, but they've been incredible, wonderful people of God I only hope I can live up to. I'm sorry, but I call...
  12. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    And absolutely none of that says that we must be in heaven to be "kept" from it. Was Noah in heaven? Was Lot? By your own 'school of belief' there is a whole bunch of Jews who will be protected and 'kept' from trials in the last half of the Tribulation, no? Will they be taken to heaven...
  13. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    There is no division. The Law and the Promise [15] To give a human example, brothers: even with a man-made covenant, no one annuls it or adds to it once it has been ratified. [16] Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to...
  14. Naomi25

    Where The Body Is The Vultures Will Gather

    Okay...there are several things I know to be true. 1) Accusing the "Pre-tribbers" of having any real sway in the middle-east ignores the massive, nightmare situation that Islam has made for itself and Christianity over there before Dispensationalism even came on the scene. 2) A person who is...
  15. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    If Rev 3:10 says we will not be a part of the hour of testing, it still does not say we will be yanked off the planet. And we also must take into consideration Jesus words here: I do not ask that you take them out of the world, but that you keep them from the evil one.-John 17:15 We know it...
  16. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Assumption: "a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof." Yes, implication is different, and at times we are to draw them from scripture. But on these occasions we do so from other scriptures that speak about the subject in question. We pool together what we know...
  17. Naomi25

    Where The Body Is The Vultures Will Gather

    I'm not suggesting at all that we do not stand up for truth, or against lies. But do you imagine the Lord we claim to love and follow would engage in the nasty tone you seem happy to throw about? Be firm, be strong, be convicted! But don't be a jerk.
  18. Naomi25

    Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

    Nice dodge. Very...not...transparent. You seem a bit peeved that I have not answered "your Qs". And, to be honest, perhaps I haven't. Let me explain why. Not a single one made sense to me. Let me expand with my how my general internal monologue went. You would say something like this: And then...
  19. Naomi25

    Removal Theology not Replacement Theology

    It's actually an interesting thing to think about, isn't it? Is it rank? Yes, we know that Christ submits to his Father, and that the bible says that Christ will lay all that he has (all that he gains rule and reign over) at his Father's feet. But by Christ's own teaching, those who would be...
  20. Naomi25

    The biblical necessity of a Pretribulation Rapture

    Actually....YES it has to. Do you have any idea what happens when people start trying to extrapolate from scripture what is not actually written there??? You've assumed it's the HS, because it doesn't actually say it. Then you've assumed the Church has to be gone, because if the HS is gone, then...