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Um...because we're told so? Just wondering how you deal with these verses? And, these are only two...there are many...many, that deal with the idea of Christ's return. But these...from Christ's own mouth, and, well, a fairly clear and blatant eyewitness account...how are they not straight...

I agree that we don't need to be perched on the roof, fearing that if we aren't looking up we may be left behind. But I would also says that we also need to 'watch' for his return...as in, having that wonderful thought in the back of our minds all the time. It is the expectation of every...

Sure, but you remember that that verse is for a very specific people and circumstance. It should not be applied to us all, for all situations.

You know, I respect this. I may not agree with you on your end time scenario, but I think you are correct the above point. If you believe, with all your might, that something is going to happen, that something is so...and you didn't sound a warning...it makes you very insincere. So I say, go for...

"Yes...but". Don't you love those two words?! I seem to use them often! And you're right, of course, to a very real extent, to be able to shrug it all off and walk away does mean, in a 'life on the ground' way, that we don't have our beliefs so interwoven into our soul that it doesn't shake our...

Yeah...this is where I hop off the round-about. We've done this dance before, you and I, and I know well it gets us nowhere. I don't understand half of what you say, and the other half seems to chase it's tail until it either contradicts itself or cancels itself out, or something. Either way...

I think...that perhaps we might have taken this conversation as far as it can go. Not because I haven't enjoyed it...it's always good when you can talk to someone about something and they don't go ultra defensive because there are differences, so thank you. But, I think we see things quite...

Well then what do you mean to imply? Honestly, bbyrd, talking to you is like taking a trip down the rabbit hole. Half the time your cryptic one sentence rejoinders don't make sense, the other half the time is seems you say something that you then back-tack on and say you 'didn't really mean', or...

I'm sorry...either you're fishing here, or I just cannot take you seriously. I think, on this particular issue, there will be no agreement, or even understanding reached, so I might side-step it, and drop it. Yes, it is 'ridic' when the child is human and the parent is God. You are still...

Okay, there is a lot of content here, and I really don't know that I can address every point. I think, mainly, I need to give this verse: They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain...

Sure, I can give you some scriptures! There are two main issues that I see. First, there is the problem with regeneration. The bible is quite clear that when one is saved, one becomes a completely new being. Now...there is nowhere in scripture, that I am aware, that talks about becoming...

I think I must disagree here, although I think you are correct when it comes to our neighbors. But when it comes to God, I think the bible gives us plenty of information about God. At least, enough so that we may know what sort of God he is. And I think it is essential to grasp hold of that...

I'm sorry, but you honestly think that it's worth considering that God comes at human history like a chose your own adventure novel? So...Adam and Eve eat the fruit, and God goes...Dang! Huh...let's see; at this junction, I could send 'em both to hell immediately, or, you know, I could draw it...

Okay, I see what you are saying, and as interesting as it is, well...I think I have to disagree, respectfully, with one of your basic premises. You say that God still 'abides even in former believers', and, well, I come from the position that says the bible affirms that if one is truly saved...

Okay, now I'm a little confused, so let me try and clarify a bit. Firstly, when I said "false Christian" (and sorry, I should have painted this more clearly), I meant those who call themselves Christians, but who's lives and fruit proclaim they are not. Secondly...I'm not sure I quite get your...

Yes, but this would also mean that God, in his nature, is perverse, or capricious. For him to tell us one thing, but then actually mean, or want another...how could we trust a God like that? Don't you see? If his nature was like that, nothing he has told us in scripture, nothing he has promised...

Well, my gist was Paul calls those who accept Christ and have a new heart "real Jews"...thus any "Jew" who is part of the Synagogue of Satan would be a national Jew (non spiritual Jew) who believed, like the Pharisees, that he was saved by his own merit in law-keeping, and also persecuted...

Do you have kids? This is, I understand, a very imperfect example, but when we're talking about God, nothing human can really measure up. Anyway, when you have kids, especially when they are young, you can quite easily see where something is headed. For example, the little one who is learning to...

Thanks for your 2 cents! Perhaps you'll already guess that my view differs from yours (surprise!). I don't think there is any great mystery to the "Synagogue of Satan"...those who say they are Jews, but are not. I think they are Jews. Those who think that their ancestry and laws and rituals...

Okay...you missed my point again...and then again. Just because you felt you pointed out something clearly, does not mean it was clear to another person. And assuming immediately that "they have to have got it" will lead to confusion and, well, accusations. Yes you highlighted a sentence, but I...