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  1. Naomi25

    The Latest on Pre-Trib Rapture

    Okay, to start off with, I don't appreciate you automatically assuming I "know very well" what you are talking about and am just playing at not understanding just to, I don't know, pull along the conversation, or refuse acknowledging a particular point. When I said that I wasn't sure what your...
  2. Naomi25

    "Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??

    Well, perhaps that is what you meant, but you seemed to say that all you could achieve is shallow and insincere dialogue. My point (although perhaps I too didn't get it across) was that at times all we can do is calmly speak the truth, and then leave it alone. But just because we do it calmly...
  3. Naomi25

    "Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??

    Ah...yes. This is true. But, this covers so very much, don't you see? The bible tells us to stand for truth, but also to love our enemies and neighbors. So, even if we just took these 3 issues and fleshed out the doctrines with all the bible verses that spoke on them, we have such a fullness...
  4. Naomi25

    Abortion ?

    Again, I believe you missed my point...please see my post above to Enoch111.
  5. Naomi25

    Abortion ?

    I feel you sort of missed my point here. I was not really commenting on whether or not I believe the bible says we can know where those souls go (hence my word "perhaps"). My point was that twinc summarily dismissed the verses and ideas of others to that effect, when the idea he was positing had...
  6. Naomi25

    Abortion ?

    Perhaps you are correct, and there is no real way we can know, exactly, if aborted babies go to heaven. But in exact manner, there is no real way you can have any real way of knowing if they are re-born. So. If we are not going to speculate, biblically or otherwise, what is the point of this...
  7. Naomi25

    "Christians" Attacking and Slandering Christians What is more Pathetic??

    Well...I'd have to disagree with you here! I think it's quite possible to disagree with a person over many different topics and still not be nasty or shallow/insincere. Just because you disagree, it doesn't mean you despise them or their ideas. I think, perhaps unfortunately, that many people...
  8. Naomi25

    Endless Pet Doctrines

    It's hard to be loving, isn't it? Some times more than others; with some people more than others. As you know, I do love my scripture and my verses. But, to be honest, when it comes to this, I don't actually head to verses, my mind goes to example: of Christ. Of love in action...on the cross, of...
  9. Naomi25

    The Latest on Pre-Trib Rapture

    I think you are missing how multi-faceted the Kingdom can be. While it is now, it will also...be. The Kingdom, in its very nature, is eternal, never-ending. Just because right now it is "not of this Earth", as Jesus tells us, we also know from Rev 11 that a time will come...the "next age", when...
  10. Naomi25

    The Latest on Pre-Trib Rapture

    Hi Davy, thanks for your reply. I have to disagree with your interpretation of numbers here, as do a lot of scholars. In fact one of your own, Jack Kelley, has several articles on his site, Grace Thru Faith, that deal with how number are often symbolic of a larger, spiritual truth, all the way...
  11. Naomi25

    The Latest on Pre-Trib Rapture

    You misunderstand the Amil's position here. When we speak of the 1000 year reign, we use the number symbolically. Which, I know, freaks you guys out. In the bible the number 1000 is often used to describe a perfect, full, amount of time, of God's choosing. In other words, God will wrap up the...
  12. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    Yes, I've never given much thought about it "from this angle" to be perfectly honest. Usually I'm wading into correct doctrine debates and considering things from that angle. And I do still think that if we are able to, that is important. But like you've just pointed out, and, for example, Rom...
  13. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    It's intriguing, isn't it, to wonder how much a person has to "get it right" to be saved. So often we insist on all the boxes being ticked, but then we look back at the OT 'believers' and realize that they were saved because they had faith in the Savior to come. They didn't know any of the finer...
  14. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    This is undoubtedly true. However, what happens when faithful, scripture loving Christians see the bible painting different apostate and 'alternate' systems? Both you and I believe quite different things when it comes to this topic. You're convinced the RCC is Babylon, and that any Christian...
  15. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    True! And, well...all these denominations are an earthly construct, really, helping us categorize ourselves and our individual interpretations. But in truth, the "Church" is Christ's, and no matter where we are found, he knows his own. I think when the time comes, that will matter more than...
  16. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    Okay. I'm not sure I can agree with you in regards to the interpretation, but thanks for answering my question!
  17. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    No, not a Catholic thing at all...just organized by the towns I think. But you would often see "Catholic" singles attending. As I grew up I just sort of "understood" that Catholics weren't 'real' Christians; as in, in no way did their actions reflect Christ in their life. It was quite baffling...
  18. Naomi25

    If You Were to Die Today

    Getting back to the OP. I voted 100%...I'm going to heaven. As others have said, our assurance rests in Christ, not ourselves. Isn't this at the very heart of the Gospel? That salvation is a gift? That what Jesus did for us, what he gave to us, was not only unmerited on our behalf, but...
  19. Naomi25

    The Latest on Pre-Trib Rapture

    So you say. But I notice you didn't comment on all the scriptures I posted that point out how often numbers are used symbolically. I find that rather interesting. I also find it interesting that you are ignoring that people of your own school (Rapture) also believe that numbers are often...
  20. Naomi25

    If We Protestants Truly Hated Catholics...

    Lol! It's short for Bachelors and Spinsters Ball. It started long ago as a nice dance where the singles would have a chance to meet each other. Now it's pretty much nothing more than a good place to go and get drunk and get...something else. Where we live, we have one every year and it's pretty...