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  1. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    LOL "If anyone can prove their arguments from Scripture, and disagrees with me, their conscience is seared." Just state your case, and have it get debunked--no need to "attack the man".
  2. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    1. No, there are people who actually read the Bible, and sometimes read seemingly contradictory things, but which they are responsible to believe nonetheless--eg, eternal life is indeed said to be a gift, but it is ALSO said to be a repayment for good deeds at the judgment (Ro 2:6-16), or a...
  3. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    1. You're assuming these conditions are static--that they don't change. This is not the case as is seen in Heb 3 where sin can harden the heart turning it into a heart of unbelief whereby the person falls away from the living God. 2. The "little children" are warned to remain in Him (1 Jn 2:28)...
  4. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    "They were never of us" because their righteousness of faith is forgotten. It never happened.
  5. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I do not hold that all men are in His Book of Life, but, even if you wanted to assert that, He differentiates between Church members in Sardis, all of whom had been washed, but some of whom had soiled their garments, and some of whom had kept them White, and the latter would not be blotted out...
  6. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yes, those who are not in Christ do not have God as their righteousness.
  7. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Apparently? Well, whether you want to call it "on/off" or not is immaterial--the text doesn't change--God doesn't change, and He still blots names out of His Book today (Rv 3), He forgets righteousness, thus, "they were never of us".
  8. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Yes, I don't know how many times I have explained this. God doesn't only forget sin, He forgets righteousness. When righteousness is forgotten, it never happened.
  9. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Hebrews 10 BSB 38But My righteous one will live by faith;i and if he shrinks back, I will take no pleasure in him.”j 39But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls. 1. I myself added "My righteous one" where it says "he" in v38...
  10. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Nope, God is "the same yesterday today and forever". God doesn't forget Christ's righteousness, but such a person isn't "abiding in Christ", so that's not an issue. God still blots sinners out of His Book in the New Testament (Rev 3). God forgets sin, and He forgets righteousness--both are...
  11. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Again, as you say, Scripture is "harmonious"--without honoring the fact that God forgets righteousness, Scripture makes no sense.
  12. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I appreciate how you break the words down. I don't get any new information out of it, but at least it shows you care about the text, and the readers can know for certain what the passage states. I consider that the sort of "kindness" God wants. The text says what it says--and many times you...
  13. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I prefer it to be that way--you've heard all my point, I've heard all your point, we've hashed it out, and the readers are exposed to the arguments, and can decide for themselves. All the rest is a waste of time and effort.
  14. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I never said you misrepresented the individual words in your selected passages--I said your takeaway, your conclusion, is what I disagree with, and I have explained why.
  15. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Easy. Again : The eternal life/Spirit is only located in the Son (1 Jn 5:11), and the branch that doesn't abide doesn't receive the substance in the Vine, and can't bear fruit, so it is thrown in the fire (Jn 15). Shame characterizes the damned (Dn 12:2)--and 1 Jn 2:28 says "draw back in shame"...
  16. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I was actually trying to be careful NOT to offend you--it's your massive ego that is offended at anyone who doesn't worship you/agree with every word you say.
  17. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I'm not denying the practical value of your way of seeing things. I know you and others like you know God--though there are varying levels of maturity among you, and some of you are deadly hateful toward me--but I can't deny what I read just for practicality. If that were the case, I'd just join...
  18. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I've already explained my point of view ad nauseam--I have no issue with the wording, which I appreciate you taking your time to break down, and which basically just reaffirms what I already know the passage says, BUT I disagree with your overall takeaway which must take into account the overall...
  19. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    I've already showed you that your conclusion (not necessarily the assessment of the individual words) is inaccurate because it fails to take into account many other truths--eg, some do not abide, and God forgets righteousness of people who fall away.
  20. GracePeace

    Abiding In Christ Necessary for Eternal Life

    Lots of verses say lots of things, and all of those things have to be harmonized--and the evidence is either satisfactory or unsatisfactory for this or that case depending on the person .