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The Bible doesn't teach that they are "burned to ashes" in the lake of fire. For that is a fire that shall never be quenched...your arguments aside...and it is also made of sulfur...which merely burns (causing pain) but does not burn up the object of its fury. Pro 19:27, Cease, my son, to...

The argument never came...which indicates to me that you (@BreadOfLife) can see that I have made an airtight case for eternal security (I have been arguing for POTS; and not for OSAS).

What you mean by this, is that you don't like the truths that are proclaimed by the specific verses that I quote or reference. Now I have expounded on John 5:24 (kjv)...and I adjure you to expound on the verses that you think contradict it. Really, you are responsible to explain how your...

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Actually, here is something you might have missed in Christianity 101... 2 Corinthians 5:10 and Romans 14:10-12. Certain translations mistranslate John 5:24 impaho...as saying that we will not come into judgment. But that contradicts the scriptures that I have referenced above. The kjv...

@BreadOfLife, I suggest that you show how each of your scriptures does not contradict the plain meaning of what Jesus says verily, verily, to us, in John 5:24 (kjv)...

Notice that in Luke 8:13, the person who falls away has "Christian faith" yet has no root in himself and therefore falls away. So, it appears that there is a faith that is a step up from epignosis... Because there is obviously a faith that results in everlasting life (John 6:47)...life that...

LOL and praise the Lord! There is an ignore button that applies to every person and I did indeed press that button concerning you. I'm pretty certain I have missed a few of your posts because they didn't show up on my screen... But when it says "Ignored Member" as being the last one who...

The heart of the issue, picking up where the argument really begins: entire sanctification is an obtainable goal.

Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits." When teachers of God's word are abrasive with their students, it is a sign that they are as wolves coming to you in sheep's clothing; false prophets. You can find this teaching in Matthew 7:15-20.

To counteract the teaching that it is one. Those who are cast into the lake of fire, will be cast in bodily; their spirit and soul dwelling in their bodies.

It should be clear that the Luke 8:13 believer, who falls away, has no root in himself; while the one who actually goes on to bear fruit, according to John 6:47, has everlasting life (life which can never come to an end).

Okay, I am taking you off of Ignore to deal with this subject. It is clear from John 5:24 (kjv) that we pass from death unto everlasting life from the moment of first faith and will not afterwards come into condemnation. So, are you saying that the person who has faith in Luke 8:13 and falls...

Jesus is the God of both the Old and New Testaments. So then, the law of God in the ten commandments (the 613 also) is His word.

It is very much like when we are dead in trespasses and sins but are alive physically (conscious). Conscious death has to do with everlasting punishment...eternal conscious torment in the lake of fire.

Sorry, I meant the opposite (must have had a brain f:Drt). I meant to say that you believe it is merely a parable to your own peril.

You can believe that it is a parable if you wish...at your own peril. <edited>

Before we came to Christ, we were dead in trespasses and sins. But we were alive physically.

There is a nominal, lukewarm, or shallow faith that can result in falling away (Luke 8:13)... And there is a heart faith that is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) and enduring to the end (Matthew 10:22, Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 3:14) that endures unto everlasting life (John 6:47). The latter kind...

They will be in eternal conscious death.