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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    What you seem to be overlooking is what the text says and actually means in relation to when it is actually fulfilled in real time. and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary Daniel 9:26 says---and the people of the prince that shall come shall...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    No he doesn't. Daniel links the AOD with that of Matthew 24:21, for one. Compare Daniel 12:1 to Matthew 24:21 then explain why Daniel 12:1 is not meaning Matthew 24:21? And it's not like no AOD is ever mentioned in Daniel 12. Daniel 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    Titles such as 'Preterist' or 'Futurist' are best understood as describing how someone interprets a particular passage rather than necessarily defining their entire interpretive system. For example, consider Matthew 24:15–21 and Matthew 24:30. If someone understands Matthew 24:15-21 as...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    In Luke 21, I understand verse 20 to refer to the events surrounding 70 AD, while I understand verse 27 to refer to the Second Coming at the end of this age. Under that interpretation, there is obviously a gap of at least 2,000 years between verses 20 and 27, assuming the Second Coming occurs...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    Except you ignore or simply do not discern that Jerusalem is still being trampled by Gentiles, spiritually speaking. IOW, as of Luke 21:20 Jerusalem is meaning literal Jerusalem. As of Luke 21:24 anything alluding to Jerusalem, such as Matthew 24:15 is not meaning the literal city nor a...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    Notice what I said and what I quoted from verse 24 and didn't quote from verse 24. I did not quote until the times of the Gentiles being fulfilled. I only quoted the parts regarding falling by the sword and being led captive into all nations, that that was literally true 2000 years ago. It was...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    My wife is not sick or anything, it's just that she is aging. When I was 25 I married a woman 15 years older than me. I am now 68 and that she is 84 Maybe 'gap' is the wrong term? I'm simply saying that between Luke 21:20 and verse 27 there are 2000 years involved. But between Mathew 24:15 and...
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    A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

    Roger, IMO there is at least a 2000 year gap between Luke 21:20 and the coming meant in verse 27. But in Matthew 24 between verse 15 and 30 there is not this same 2000 year gap. The reason why we know there is this 2000 year gap in Luke 21 is because of verse 24. Therefore, what Luke 21:20 is...
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    I guess it went over my head when you said that, or maybe I haven't even read the post yet. Have other things on my mind lately, such s a possible rabid stray cat my wife has been feeding forever. It's a long story so would rather not get into that unless someone has experience with possible...
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    Explain exactly how anyone receives a glorified body unless the last trump sounds first? Is it your position that the last trump sounds prior to great tribulation rather than post great tribulation? 1 Corinthians 15:51 ¶Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    One can't be curious about something? I do not sit around the house dwelling on that verse. Nor do I lose sleep over it wondering why it was sealed. It simply came to mind after @Marty fox submitted the following---Revelation 22 10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    I agree. But what do you make of the following, though? Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. Why is it forbidden...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    It's def absurd that apparently it is a prophecy about Jesus opening the seals one at a time in real time in the future. The prophecies are the events themselves, not Jesus allegedly opening these one by one in real time in the future. Therefore, He has already opened each seal. What is in...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    If they haven't been opened why does Revelation record Jesus having opened them? We already know the contents of them. We couldn't possibly know that unless they were opened first.
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    The following never came to mind per that last post but came to mind now. Maybe Pretribbers can argue that humans, such as Enoch and Elijiah entered heaven in mortal bodies and are dwelling in heaven in mortal bodies? Therefore, what is the issue, they ask?
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    This should mean you agree no humans are presently bodily in heaven. So how do Preteribbers assume they enter heaven? If Pretrib is true, they would obviously be in a bodily state. But not in immortal bodies unless the last trump in 1 Corithians 15 precede the beginning of great tribulation...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    The point I was attempting to make at the time was this. if seal 1, trumpet 1, vial 1, run in parallel then the same has to be true of the following. seal 7, trumpet 7, vial 7, these too run in parallel. Except the 7th trumpet does not follow nor occur during seal 7, The first trumpet through...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    I'm assuming you made a typo since April 13, 1029 already came and went ages ago.
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    Be sure to add during the last trump, thus the 7th trumpet. Then it might be the best one can do by saying that as well
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I tend to think the vials fit between verse 29 and 30 in Matthew 24, but are involving some days rather than a single day. Honestly, I don't care if the vials run in parallel with each trumpet, if that is indeed the case. I can live with it if that were indeed the case. It's just that I don't...