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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    I guess I overlooked that part when I rated his post with a 'Like'. You make a good point here then. For example. Matthew 27:52-53. Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into...
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    And guess what? If anyone would know their own history, it would obviously be the Jews that would. Except no Jew that I'm aware of, past or present, know about any war Ezekiel 38-39 is describing having been fulfilled in ancient history. They all pretty much insist it is future battle of some...
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    I submitted your rebuttals to this same AI I used to analyze my view vs your view. Here is it's findings in regard to your rebuttals here. ------------ This same AI: Here is an analysis of View A’s rebuttals. While View A is sticking firmly to its position, these new responses actually...
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    I submitted our views to an AI. Meaning what you posted in post #67 And what I posted in post #99. I then started that session off with the following; _____________________ Me: Examine both A) and B). Then provide your findings. Which view, A) or B), has the stronger arguments over all and...
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    I think the focus on the word 'captivity' is missing the larger point of the passage. The question isn't whether Ezekiel mentions captivity. The question is which captivity fits the context and sequence of Ezekiel 39? The key is the order of events. Ezekiel 39:21-22 And I will set my glory...
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    Revelation chapter 11 questions

    https://chat.z.ai/
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    Revelation chapter 11 questions

    Here is some more to add to post #38. Maybe some of you don't think things such as this is worthy of researching further, except I'm not you. ---------------------- Me: "It is a stated goal of the tech elite". Can you expand some more on this? ---- This same AI: It is incredibly...
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    Revelation chapter 11 questions

    I just submitted our exchange to an AI in order to see what an AI thinks of my speculative AI theory. But first it had some thoughts regarding your Roman armies theory. ----------------- An AI: You have hit on what is arguably the most significant crux for the Preterist interpretation of...
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    Revelation chapter 11 questions

    Revelation 9:6 And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them. Is that what history recorded at the time? That verse has perplexed me for ages now. But with AI and it rapidly advancing I am then thinking this verse is...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    These things matter, though. For example. If one is Pretrib and take the 7 trumpets to be meaning after all 7 seals, when they get to Revelation 11 and the 7th trumpet, many of them take the 7th trumpet to be meaning the beginning of great tribulation. What some of them would call mid trib. Mid...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Of course the 7th trumpet is meaning the last trump in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54. Is there any particular reason why you think I might not agree with that?
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    Using the term "rapture" incorrectly

    Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations : and Jerusalem shall be...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    Why would you think I would not agree with that? I'm not even remotely arguing that as Jesus opened each seal, the events of them began being fulfilled at the time. As far as I can tell, all 6 seals involve the final days of this age. When Jesus opened each seal 2000 years ago it was not yet the...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    There are other ways to try and determine some of these things. one of those being comparing some of Revelation 19-20 with some of Daniel 7, and some of Isaiah 24, to name a few. Then you end up with some Amils questioning where does it ever mention a thousand years in Daniel 7 and Isaiah 24...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    In Revelation 20:1-3, 7-9, it mentions the beast and fp zero times. But why if both are still active on the earth in ch 20? Verse 10 has both the beast and fp already in the LOF before satan eventually joins them as well. Why that distinction? Plus, John was told to write what he saw. In...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I determine chronology versus recapitulation primarily by comparing repeated events and thematic markers within Revelation itself, not by importing an external system first. For example, compare Revelation 6:16-17 For the great day of his wrath is come... with Revelation 11:18 ...thy wrath...
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    Actually Jesus returns twice...

    Guess who else is in heaven with Jesus before He is seen returning in ch 19? The dead in Christ are there, and the dead in Christ is not meaning raptured Pretribbers. Therefore, why can't the dead in Christ explain who is leaving heaven with Jesus at the time? As in this---them also which sleep...
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    Both Pretribbers and Preterists are clearly wrong that great tribulation begins with the DOTL.

    I don't find that response compelling because it seems to shift the issue from exegesis to a general statement about apocalyptic literature. Whether Revelation's chronology is strictly sequential is precisely what's under debate. Simply saying that Revelation is apocalyptic and therefore its...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. The point is, clearly, Christ is God. And I assume you agree. Clearly, when...
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    The Two Witnesses Came and Went Thousands of Years Ago

    Does this mean you take the following as literal---fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies?