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    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A)

    We're looking for Scriptures which show God as three persons (especially dreams and visions).
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    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A)

    Don't you see that merely mentioning three or more persons or things in a sentence or two is not a description of God? Does 1 John 5:8 really make the three into one Holy Spirit? or person? “For there are three who bear witness [this is the only place in the entire Bible we find a...
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    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A)

    Please carefully and thoroughly search to find a vision, dream, or clear description in scripture wherein God is shown as more than one person. (This is really not that difficult. Either there is a vision, dream, description, etc. somewhere in scripture clearly showing the one God as three...
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    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A)

    1 John 5:7 (part 2) Noted Trinitarian scholar Daniel B. Wallace admits the same: https://bible.org/article/textual-problem-1-john-57-8#_ftnref3 And respected (and highly trinitarian) New Testament Bible scholar Dr. A. T. Robertson writes: “For there are three who bear witness (hoti treis...
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    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A)

    Renniks, thank you for a rational response. 1 John 5:7 (part 1) To say that this is not a clear, undisputed verse is an understatement. John did not write the words found at 1 Jn 5:7 in the KJV! And we must consider why trinitarian scholars and copyists felt compelled to add it to the Holy...
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    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A)

    CLEAR CHALLENGES TO THE TRINITY DOCTRINE (A) (A) Please carefully and thoroughly search to find a vision, dream, or clear description in scripture wherein God is shown as more than one person. (This is really not that difficult. Either there is a vision, dream, description, etc. somewhere in...
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    The golden calf and the Trinity

    Cooper wrote (post 124): And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. (1 Timothy 3:16 NKJV) ...
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    Begetting against Creating.

    "Begotten" and "Created" as Used in Scripture “Begotten” and “created” are English words carefully chosen by Bible translators to convey the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek words of the OT and NT Greek texts as closely as possible. So first we should determine what the words “created” and...
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    The golden calf and the Trinity

    Plural “God” (Elohim) That the Hebrew plural is often used for a singular noun to denote “a ‘plural’ of majesty or excellence” is well-known by all Biblical Hebrew language experts and has been known from at least the time of Gesenius (1786-1842), who is still regarded as one of the best...
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    There is a dispute

    Literally the NT Greek manuscripts read at Heb. 1:8: “Toward but the son the throne of you the god into the age of the age.” There is evidence that the proper translation of Heb. 1:8 (as well as Ps. 45:6) should be “your throne is God forever” or “God is your throne forever.” And yet we find...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Rev. 1:7 - except for NIV, all Bibles I have examined which use quotation marks do not use them at Rev. 1:7. This shows (as does the context) that John is writing this verse as himself. The KJV (and a few others) did not use quotation marks at all, so one may decide for himself exactly who is...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Repeat of post #3 for Davy. Although trinitarian-translated Bibles have traditionally rendered 'Immanuel' at Matthew 1:23 as "God with us," most other trinitarian sources I have found render it more properly as "With Us Is God." This was a common expression among the Israelites and those who...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Heb. 11:3 does not say "through faith." There is no use of dia there. Simply the dative form of 'faith' (pistei) which means to or by faith.
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    John 1:3, 10 John's (and Jesus' and all Bible writers') repeated use of the term "Father" for God stresses over and over that Jesus' Father (and our Father) is the ultimate source who, because of his will (Rev. 4:11) and his spoken command (Ps. 33:6, 8, 9; Ps. 148:5) caused (originated) all...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    1 Tim. 3:16 The NKJV (and the few other Bibles still based on the flawed Received Text) has rendered this passage as "God was manifested in the flesh" when it is quite clear that this was a change to the earlier manuscripts purposely made by trinitarian copyists around the eighth or ninth...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Davy wrote: Here's an example that every Jew should be well familiar with, and have NO EXCUSE to deny that Jesus of Nazareth is God The Savior come in the flesh... Isa 9:6-7 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    “Seen Me: Seen Father” - Jn 14:7-9 John 14:1 - “believe in God, believe also in me.” 14:7 - “If ye had known me, ye would have known my Father also: from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. verse 8) Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. verse 9) Jesus...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Davy wrote: In the following, Apostle Paul (writer of Hebrews I believe) quoted from Psalms 45 where The Father is calling The Son, "O God": Heb 1:8-9 8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Davy wrote: In John 8, our Lord Jesus is conversing with the unbelieving scribes and Pharisees who tried to trap His words. John 8:56-59 56 "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day: and he saw it, and was glad." 57 Then said the Jews unto Him, "Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast...
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    Our Lord Jesus Said He is God

    Davy wrote: Make no mistake, Jesus of Nazareth said He is God in the Scriptures. Not only did He say it, but The Father said it also. Isa 7:14 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. KJV Matt...