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  1. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Still no answer to the question?
  2. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    No, I wanna know why a man who was well known for fearlessly proclaiming the power and salvation of God before rulers and kings would suddenly in his 2nd letter to the Thessalonians become so timid and reluctant to reveal that Michael, who you claim is the Restrainer, has his celestial foot on...
  3. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    No, I'd like you to explain why: (1) you refuse to accept the unanimous testimony of the ECF who claim the Paul told the Thessalonians it was the Pagan Roman Empire, and (2) you refuse to offer an explanation as to why Paul - a man who fiercely declared the might, power, and love of God...
  4. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    To love God and your neighbor pretty much sums up what good works are. If you love God, you won't worship Satan, engage in idolatry, blaspheme Him, or break the seventh day Sabbath, and if you love your neighbor you won't steal from or kill him, sleep with his wife, etc.
  5. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, you like all OSAS believers, want Jesus only as your Savior but not as your Lord, because deep down you know that obedience doesn't earn salvation, but is the evidence that Jesus our Savior abides in our heart, and the love of sin that OSAS believers refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to...
  6. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, I'm sorry but I avoid reading long posts from those with whom I disagree b/c they are usually so filled textual pretexts. I prefer to discuss one point at a time, so as to identify where beliefs begin to diverge, rather than shouting back and forth from one hill top to another.
  7. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Then why didn't Paul encourage the suffering saints by shouting from the rooftop that Michael was restraining the rise of Antichrist instead of tip toeing around the subject? Just what harm could have come from that??? No, ATP, the ECF told us that Paul identified the Restrainer as the Roman...
  8. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Proof that the 70 Weeks prophecy was given to shed light on the 2,300 Days prophecy, linking the two in an unbroken tie which disqualifies all interpretations which seek to separate the one from the other, namely JESUIT FUTURISM and JESUIT PRETERISM. "As if the information from the previous few...
  9. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You cannot offer a reason for Paul's secrecy because there simply is no good reason for it, if the Holy Spirit or some other Agent of holiness was indeed the Restrainer. There is simply no reason to hide from the church and deprive the suffering saints the encouragement of knowing that the Holy...
  10. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I have faults, but lying isn't one of them, friend. In chapter 9, Gabriel tells Daniel to "consider the vision" (mar 'eh). In chapter 8, only the 2,300 Days portion of the prophecy is referred to specifically as the "mar eh", and since he was left confused only about that portion of the...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Cognitive Dissonance is a very real and destructive condition where unwelcome truth is safely set aside in the interest of shielding one's self from the fear, pain, and uneasiness that truth produces, but please remember that God never sends the truth to harm us, but to warn us.
  12. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    To claim that the God who directs His most fearful warning against those He loves and desperately wants to save - to not take the Mark of the Beast - would so shroud the identity of Antichrist in mystery so that it would be almost impossible to discern the Beast's identity and thus fail to...
  13. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    If Paul told the Thessalonians that Michael was the Restrainer when he previously visited them (2 Thessalonians 2:5 KJV) then why did he choose to remain so mysterious and secretive to them about this "startling revelation" in his letter to them, and in doing so encourage millions of Christians...
  14. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The Mark of the Beast is for non-believers? Friend, please READ the Three Angels' Messages! All three messages - to worship the Creator alone, to come out of (spiritual) Babylon, and to not take the Mark of the Beast - are directed at God's followers, not unbelievers.
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Lost? Have you never read what the ECF, men not far removed from Paul's day, wrote about the Restrainer? Why is every ancient document found written by them on the subject found to consistently point to the Roman Empire as Paul's Restrainer? Coincidence? No, common knowledge carefully passed...
  16. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    If Paul meant to teach that the Holy Spirit is the Restrainer, why didn't he shout it from the rooftop instead of being so secretive? "Hey, saints, you might be suffering for the faith, but take heart, because the HOLY SPIRIT has got His celestial foot on the neck of the "man of sin"...
  17. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You're wrong, friend. "Understand the matter and consider the vision" refers EXACTLY to the vision Daniel had in chapter 8, but was still confused about even after the angel interpreted it for him. Anyone reading the Bible with his eyes open can see that. It is you who insist that the Covenant...
  18. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Gabriel's mission was to open Daniel's understanding of the "vision" he'd received in chapter 8 - y'know, the one that he'd sought an explanation from those who could not offer one. "I'm here to explain the vision, Daniel...Seventy Weeks are determined........" Yes, Jesus, the God of the Old...
  19. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    1. Of course they have a choice to either submit to Allah or die loyal to Jesus, ATP. 2. You continue insisting "endures to the end" refers only to physical Roman occupation. Plain old 3rd grade reading comprehension skills demand that we recognize that both verses are connected by the...
  20. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Jerusalem is occupied by the descendants of the Khazars, a nomadic pagan tribe which arbitrarily adopted Judaism, and Israel is but a fraction of the "Promised Land" in Scripture, but keep on looking to them and it for fulfillment of prophecy and you will certainly be overcome by the Antichrist...