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  1. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Your Jesuit Futurism is what is off the mark, friend. I have Jesus promising the New Covenant by the word of Jeremiah, I have Jesus coming to confirm for 7 years what He promised centuries earlier, and I have Jesus causing that Covenant to "prevail" in the strength and might of His Father and...
  2. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The Bible says in Daniel's day, the abominations that brought about the desolation of Jerusalem had to do with the setting up of pagan worship (Sun Worship) not only in the Temple, but in the midst of the people. In our day, the "building fitly framed together, HOLY unto the Lord" is the church...
  3. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Jesus' warning of the "abomination that makes desolate" is a dual prophecy for these two reasons: 1. The warning was to "this generation (which) shall not pass" meaning the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem where Christians in 66 A.D. who saw Roman Sun Worship standards standing where they...
  4. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You, like all Jesuit sympathizers, are in no position to appraise the scholarship of anyone. If you would read in Ezekiel 8 where the pre-incarnate OT God, Jesus, refers to the greatest abomination of all as being the dragging of Sun God worship into the temple, then you would know that "the...
  5. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    That is exactly what it means. Look it up for yourself. Better yet, read it for yourself and spare me the criticism, please: חָתַךְ châthak, khaw-thak'; a primitive root; properly, to cut off, i.e. (figuratively) to decree:—determine.
  6. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    You mean the "Temple of God" where the whole nation of Israel finally sticks their collective middle finger in the face of God as they begin once again sacrificing lambs which pointed to their Messiah they hate to this day and refer to as "the Great Imposter"??? Really? God would NEVER refer to...
  7. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, no where in the Bible is the Antichrist called the Covenant of Death. That's absurd.
  8. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The "end" can't refer to the "end" of Jerusalem and the Jews as a nation? When wars and desolation were poured out upon Jerusalem in the time that the abomination of Sun Worship - which God says is the most offensive abomination to Ezekiel - was brought right into the Jewish temple by virtue of...
  9. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The God of the O.T. - Jesus - spoke His promise of the New Covenant in Jeremiah 31:31 KJV. Jesus made that New Covenant "prevail" in the strength of His Father and the hosts of heaven when He said "not My will but Thy will" and went to the Cross. Question: When you confirm on the first day of...
  10. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, let's not question the salvation of one another, OK? Not only is it in bad taste, but it's against forum rules...understand? Yes, the abomination that makes desolate IS a "dual prophecy", the past fulfillment being the destruction of Jerusalem with a future application as well. What is it...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Again, the prophecy doesn't demand the destruction occurs before the end of the 70 Weeks, just merely that it would occur after the "threescore and two (and seven) weeks". Says the same thing about Messiah's death. This happened between 27 A.D. and 34 A.D, the 70th Week. And the destruction in...
  12. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The only proof you need that the 70th week is past is to count 490 years from the decree in 457 B.C. God knows the number of hairs on your head, yet you believe He doesn't know how to count years and found it necessary to insert a "gap"? Simple math will disprove your theory: 490 =/= 483 +...
  13. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    We'll just have to agree to disagree. It is crystal clear that Messiah is cut off after the 69 Weeks which can only be during the 70th Week. The whole 70 Weeks are "determined" or "amputated", not just the 70th Week. It is amputated from the 2,300 Days prophecy. Whether you identify the...
  14. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Yes, you may walk away from eternal life any time you wish, ATP. Only those who "abide in the Vine" will not find themselves branches cast forth into the fire. As for me, I choose to retain the grace of God purchased not with gold or silver, but with the precious blood of my Savior by abiding in...
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    No, you are wrong. You keep it the same way you obtain it: by surrendering to Jesus. However, you are free to return the gift of eternal life and run back to Satan any time you want, because God is not a cosmic rapist who forces others into an unwanted relationship with Him.
  16. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    What do you mean "this extremely important date is not totally clear?" 457 B.C. has been said authoritatively to be the most solid date in all of Scripture! We know beyond the shadow of a doubt that the seventh year reign of Artaxerxes was in 457 B.C. proven by extra-Biblical archaeology so...
  17. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    What nuances? How difficult is it to locate 457 B.C. and then count to the end of 69 weeks (27 A.D.) where we find "Messiah the Prince" being baptized this lone year when Tiberius, Herod, and Pilate reigned together, after which during the last 7 year week He is crucified? Truth requires no...
  18. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    What verse in Scripture states that God inserted a gap?
  19. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I assure you that Historicism identified the Papacy as Antichrist followed decades later by Jesuits Alcazar and Ribera who fabricated Preterism and Futurism respectively. There's no need to be willfully ignorant of church history. All you need do is take a casual glance at the issues of the...
  20. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    If you understand that Jesus is the God of the OT, then you know that it is He that declared in Jeremiah 31:31 KJV that He would make a "New Covenant" with the house of Israel and Judah. Then, He comes incarnate to confirm in His blood what He Himself had already promised in the O.T., which He...