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  1. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    While it is true that they are opposites, they do in fact both come from the Jesuits. Jesuit Luis Alcazar authored Preterism and Jesuit Francisco Ribera Futurism. That is simply a matter of history. The Papacy doesn't care which you choose to believe as long as you don't believe Historicism...
  2. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, to endure or not to endure is a choice saints daily make. Does the servant of Satan endure anything? No, his life is an endless round of fulfilling his lusts as he remains ensnared by the enemy. It is the Christian who suffers daily harassment and temptation - who chooses to endure all...
  3. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I've shown you plenty Scripture. Jesus is called the "Messenger of the Covenant". What Covenant? The New Covenant, which He confirmed for 7 years, first in Person and then by "those who heard Him". You can believe Jesuit theology if you like, but remember that they have failed to get right...
  4. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Brother, if you think it was easy to go to the Cross, then you have absolutely no concept of what Jesus went through. Of course He prevailed by might, the might and power of His Father to Whom He clung when every ounce of His flesh wanted to run away from the Cross, to the point that "His sweat...
  5. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Yes, Jesuit Preterism's claim that the Antichrist came in the the 1st century is just as false as Jesuit Futurism's claim that the Antichrist come during a future 70th Week. That's why I preach Historicism, just like the Protestant Reformers who fought against the Jesuits and their silly...
  6. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    God inserted no such gap into this or any other prophecy, Jesuits and their apologists do that. Where can we find just one Biblical example of a prophecy assigned to commence and expire over a set number of numeric years which requires the insertion of a gap? Where does the prophecy say that...
  7. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, you must understand that the 483rd year is part of the 69 weeks. Jesus is said to have died AFTER the 69 weeks, which CANNOT be during the 483rd years. Understand? Also, the prophecy said the 483rd year brings us to "Messiah the Prince", which is not His death, but His baptism because it...
  8. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    You realize that "those" are the saints, right? Saints which are known by their (1) agape for God, (2) agape for others, and (3) agape perfected in them. The saints of Matthew 24:12 KJV once had such agape but sadly due to iniquity allowed it to grow cold and dead. They are no longer saints and...
  9. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    OK, here's my explanation: You have confused the 70 Weeks prophecy - which began in 457 B.C. and ended in 34 A.D. and applies to Jesus Christ - with the 1260, 1290, and 1335 Days prophecies which began in the 6th century and apply to the Church of Jesus Christ during the time of the Papal...
  10. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Exactly, and I don't see how that "prevail" disqualifies Jesus as the One to Whom the prophecy refers as He Who would "confirm the Covenant with many for one week", the same "many" that He spoke of when He lifted up the cup to His disciples and said, "This is My blood of the New Covenant which...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Friend, you seem to think that what Jesus did had nothing to do with "prevail". But, that is exactly what Jesus did to the Covenant - He made it prevail. It prevailed over the Old Covenant...it prevailed over any concern that it would go unfulfilled...it prevailed over the many centuries long...
  12. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Historicism is not Preterism, friend. Preterism and Futurism came from the Jesuits and is what you are expounding. A casual glance at church history will show you that Protestant Historicists pointed the finger of accusation at the Papacy as the prophesied Antichrist which was followed only...
  13. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Salvation is a day by day, moment by moment surrender to Jesus based on the belief of Who He is and what He has done for us. If that is too much for you, then you may want to reconsider your expressed desire to be eternally surrendered day by day, moment by moment to Him in heaven - the only...
  14. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Your verses prove nothing for they apply to everything and everyone EXCEPT ourselves and the ever-present freedom to turn from Christ and follow after our lusts, just like the Unmerciful Servant chose to indulge his lust rather than the pure, loving character of the merciful Lord who forgave him...
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    According to Protestant Historicism, the "1260", "1290", and "1335" have absolutely nothing to do with the 70 Weeks prophecy, which ended in 34 A.D. EXACTLY 70 weeks after it began with no gap. Why can't you see that when the Daniel said the time period would be 70 Weeks, he meant just that...
  16. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Yes, the Jews were ultimately responsible for destroying Jerusalem by bringing divine judgment upon themselves. "I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may...
  17. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    "he" can easily refer to "Prince Messiah". Did not His people destroy the city and the temple by bringing divine judgment upon themselves through steadfast refusal to accept their Messiah? Yes, they did. And Prince Messiah confirmed His Covenant of Grace for 7 years, first in person and then...
  18. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    That happened already. The Papacy hijacked the "daily" ("sacrifice" is not in the original MSS) which refers to the WHOLE of the sanctuary intercessory priesthood service, which the Papacy claims to this day.
  19. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Have it your way, friend, but I assure you I don't subscribe to either Jesuit Preterism or Jesuit Futurism.