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  1. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I'm a Protestant Historicist, not a Jesuit Preterist or Jesuit Futurist. Your assumption that the last person mentioned - the destroyer of the Jerusalem after Messiah is cutoff - is the Antichrist is incorrect because the "Prince that shall come" can only either be Prince Titus and his army or...
  2. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, please have a look at the KJV rendering of Daniel 9:27: "And he (Jesus) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: Jesus confirmed the Covenant of Salvation for 7 years, first in person and then through His disciples (Hebrews 2:3 KJV). He is called the "Messenger of the Covenant"...
  3. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    Of course people who accept Jesus can be lost. Can an enemy of Christ recieve from God and impart to others agape? No. Therefore, the "saints" of Matthew 24:12 KJV once had hot, living agape but they allowed sin to destroy it, leaving it cold and dead. No one goes to heaven with cold, dead agape.
  4. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Jesuit Preterism/Futurism were an answer to the accusations of Protestants who had already been teaching Protestant Historicism. Preterism says a one-man Antichrist came in the 1st century and afterward Jesus and His kingdom was set up. Historicism says an Antichrist system with many men at its...
  5. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    No, ATP, sin is breaking the law and any believer who turns from God and breaks the law and refuses to repent will be lost. I'm sorry, but there is no such thing as OSAS, brother - what determines whether you are a servant of righteousness or sin is your actions. That is why Revelation says that...
  6. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I'm actually a Historicist and teach and preach Historicism like the Protestant Reformers who were anti-Jesuit Preterist and anti-Jesuit Futurist, and arguably, the ECF. Historicism teaches: Artaxerxes' decree in 457 B.C. begins the prophecy 483 years later in 27 A.D. when Tiberius Caesar...
  7. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    I'm not following how this post proves a gap.
  8. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Confusing Preterism with your graph is easily done if one is not fully acquainted with Historicism. It's too bad that people think the only schools of thought are Futurism and Preterism, both being Jesuit ideas which were discovered NOT by searching the Scriptures for truth, but by Jesuits who...
  9. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Not sure how Isaiah's prophecy lasts 2,000 years. Jesus proclaimed both the acceptable year of our Lord and warned of the day of His vengeance while He was here on Earth. No gap, just like there's none in Daniel. \
  10. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    The text says that after the 7 and 62 Messiah is to be cut off, and which week comes after the 69th? The 70th. He was cut off during the 70th week. Then, it says in the midst of the week the sacrifices and oblations cease, which can only point to the time of the crucifixion because Jesus was...
  11. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Time is prophetic in Revelation and the 3 1/2 "prophetic years", which are 1260 "prophetic days", or 1260 "literal years". Same applies to the 42 months, Times Time and Half a Time, etc. There is absolutely no other prophecy in all of Scripture whose stated commencement and expiration period is...
  12. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, after we accept Jesus and receive Justification, if He showed us how unholy we all are, we would bolt and run away from Him. (John 16:12 KJV) Therefore, He reveals to us our character defects a little at a time during the process of Sanctification. Sooner or later a cherished defect will be...
  13. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, OSAS defines salvation as God not changing me, just His opinion of the sin that remains in me. "I change not" says the Most High. No, ATP, God credits me with Jesus' perfection ONLY as I remain surrendered to the Holy Spirit's chiseling of my imperfect character, to Whom my belief in Jesus...
  14. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, all those passages you posted have nothing to do with covenants between Satan and those surrendered in humble obedience to God, which is what you claim happens in Daniel 9 between the Antichrist and God's people. ATP, I'm going to post the verse that says Messiah the Prince does not come...
  15. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    Yes, Jesus was anointed after the 69 weeks. The prophecy says "from the going forth of the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto Messiah the Prince shall be 69 weeks". Messiah means "anointed One" and Jesus was anointed by the Holy Ghost at His baptism and left the carpenter shop and...
  16. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, Satan or his agents never make covenants with God's people and certainly not the covenant of the 70 weeks. (Job 41:4 KJV) Jesus Christ was the "messenger of the Covenant" (Malachi 3:1 KJV) Jesus Christ said "this is My blood of the New Covenant" shed for "many" - "Messiah the Prince"...
  17. Phoneman777

    Who Is "the Restrainer" In 2 Thess. 2:6-7

    ATP, "Messiah" means "Anointed One". Jesus was anointed by the Holy Ghost at His baptism and then commenced His Earthly ministry according to Acts 10:38 KJV. How can the crucifixion of Jesus mark the end of 62 weeks if the prophecy clearly says that the "Anointed Prince" which received that...
  18. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    The fact that the Unmerciful Servant was forgiven his impossible debt but through refusal to allow his character to reflect that of his King, was condemned again is proof positive that any redeemed person who have been forgiven of the debt of sin but refuses to allow His character to be...
  19. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, belief in Christ is useless if it doesn't lead us to surrender to His will which is to stop sinning and produce works of obedience, according to James, Jesus, John, Paul, etc.. And when we surrender to Him, the Holy Spirit begins the sanctifying process - the chiseling away of our...
  20. Phoneman777

    ANALYSIS OF MATTHEW 24:12-13 - WHY IT DISPROVES OSAS

    ATP, you make no attempt to claim the king is anything other than God and that the Unmerciful Servant is anything other than us. Why? Because it is so obvious. Yet, when it comes to the punishment, you take a direct illustration of reinstated punishment and make it to mean the opposite of what...