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Hi, Angelina, is there anything wrong with limiting a thread topic to an exploration of the impact that one particular verse may have on that topic? Academics do it all the time and entire senior papers have been written on the exploration of just one Bible verse. It was my intention to do just...

You continue to inject "the love of God" into the discussion. As stated in post # 80, Matthew 24:12 KJV isn't talking about "the love of God toward us", it's talking about "the agape of man toward God and his fellow man". Also, does anyone claim that God has ceases to love the "many" whose...

Wrong, ATP. There are only two kinds of living people in the world: (1) the saints who receive agape from God and impart it to others, and (2) the unsaved who possess no agape whatsoever because they neither recieve it from God or impart it to others. We are either with Jesus or against Jesus...

I agree. Perfection is not the requirement, but a willingness to be made perfect. OSAS denies the requirement that the saints must be willing to be made perfect.

ATP, who said it didn't come from the Word of God, namely Jesus Christ and what's that got to do with the fact that OSAS demands that people devoid of agape who can't keep the Two Great Commandments are going to heaven? The "we" in "we are more than victorious" refers to those who possess agape...

No matter how OSAS slices it, it still must defend to the death the impossible idea that "agape-less" people who allowed their agape for God and man to grow cold and dead due to iniquity (Matthew 24:12-13 KJV) can still be counted among the saints - the same saints which are known Biblically as...

You're too kind, TB! ;)

ATP, Jesus didn't say "the agape of God would wax cold". It says "the agape of MANY". Got it? We're not talking about God's agape toward us, we are talking about OUR agape toward God, OUR agape toward others, and OUR agape that is perfected in us by God - all by which the Bible says the saint...

How can they be known as saints when they are no longer in possession of agape?

Their agape love grew cold and DEAD, ATP, got it? Cold and dead, not somewhat cooler and yet alive. They don't possess agape because it turned cold and dead. Though God loves everyone with everlasting love, and the saints are known by their agape love for each other and for God and by the agape...

ATP, this discussion is whether OSAS stands test of Biblical scrutiny regarding Matthew 24:12 KJV and whether "agape-less" people who can't keep the Two Great Commandments are heaven bound. If you persist in willful distortion of reality, I will put you on my ignore list as well.

Post your worthless OSAS "proof texts" elsewhere - stick to the scope of this thread. The purpose of this thread is to determine whether or not OSAS stands the test of Biblical scrutiny regarding the two verses in the OP. So, ATP, are you bold enough to publicly declare that the saints who...

Precisely. I'm trying to get these poor sufferers of Cognitive Dissonance to accept that they have a major problem with their OSAS doctrine when considering the saints of Matthew 24:12 KJV which wind up "agape-less" through iniquity. It's proving as difficult as getting atheists to acknowledge...

What is the focus of the thread? Yes, Matthew 24:12-13 KJV, bro. Tomorrow we will do shapes!

You seem to be evading the question in my last post. A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice. But I suspect that you publicly declaring that "agape-less" people can go to heaven is a bit much for even you to claim but that leaves you with the question of just where will these saints who formerly had...

It is about the fate of the "many" in verse 12, ATP. Will they still go to heaven without the agape they formerly had if they are incapable of fulfilling the Two Great Commandments?

ATP, the object of this thread is to ascertain the fate of the "many" of verse 12, not a forum for you to post your OSAS false doctrine "proof texts".

I'm as so going to report you if you insist on hi-jacking this thread, ATP. Do you understand?

ATP, if you're not willing to confirm or deny that "agape-less" people will be in heaven, then please leave. This discussion is about Matthew 24:12-13 KJV. If you want to post OSAS "proof texts" then post away somewhere else.

ATP, please do not post you OSAS "proof texts" here. Go to "The Doctrine of OSAS" and post them there. This discussion is about the "agape-less" people of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV and their final destination.