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Y'know what, ATP? I think I am going to block you now. I and the Lord have had enough.

I'm this close to blocking you, ATP. Like the rest of us who have long since run out of patience with you.

You did NOT address the O/P of this thread which is how can the "many" of verse 12 be any longer counted as saints when they do not possess the perfected agape that the Bible says characterizes the saints??? How long will you avoid dealing with the crux of this thread by posting garbage OSAS...

Revelation is talking about literal death not separating us, not the spiritual death that one dies when his agape grows cold. Now, STOP VIOLATING POLICY AND STICK TO THIS THREAD'S O/P.

ATP, you asked me to address Romans 8:38-39 KJV and I did. Now, please do this for me: adhere to forum policy by sticking to the O/P and stop deviating from it by posting OSAS "proof texts" explain why you think "many" of verse 12 who do not meet the Biblical qualifications of a saint (agape...

I would have preferred you had edited the thread title. Is there some reason why it can't be or isn't being done?

More texts that fail to disprove that by our own choice while God stands by pleading to us not to leave Him we may forfeit eternal life by choosing a demonic master, a dead vine, dead bread, dead beliefs.

With open hand, God calls others to take their place beside the saints in it. It is not by the closing of that hand the saints are secure from abduction, as if such a ridiculous measure would ever be necessary, but by the mere existence of His Sovereign Divine authority, before which His enemies...

The only people trying to "do it themselves" are those who refuse the condition by which they may obtain salvation: by believing Jesus is BOTH their Savior from sin AND their Lord to be obeyed. The Unmerciful Servant of Matthew 18:21-35 KJV refused to conform his behavior to that of his Lord...

I'm sorry, but do you have anything to offer concerning the topic of this post, which is an analysis of the impact that Matthew 24:12-13 KJV has on OSAS? Perhaps you are unaware that CB policy is that we stick to the O/P topic when replying to an O/P. Just a friendly reminder, bro :) Might I...

Brother, what other conclusion can we draw but that Jesus is making plain that to us that the "many" no longer possess agape? Besides, you assume that the promise of Romans 8:38 can be claimed by the "many" of verse 12. Let's back up and establish a couple of things: Question: To whom is the...

Angelina, thank you for clarifying that thread posters do not the authority to dictate to others what kind of responses to a thread are acceptable or not and that they do not set the standard for the same, and also for clarifying that there is already a policy - that participants stick to the...

Sure, ATP, all I ask is that we stick to the O/P which is stated policy. BTW, I've asked Angelina to change the title to "Does OSAS Withstand The Textual Scrutiny Of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV?" because analyzing that is the purpose of this thread, bro. A belief must line up with 100% of God's Word or...

Angelina, I can't see where this thread is one that doesn't "allow others to participate" or hinders "ability to reply" - it seems your admitted policy that we "keep to the O/P" is what does that. It was necessary to remind some of that policy several times in this thread. It's becoming more...

Perhaps I should not have brought up the Lake of Fire. It is sufficient to say that saints who find themselves agape-less will not be entering the kingdom of heaven.

ATP, the focus of this thread is to evaluate whether OSAS stands the test of the Biblical scrutiny of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV. If you want to post OSAS "proof texts", please do so elsewhere. So far, you're only response to this scrutiny is: repeated attempts to shift the discussion from the cold...

Whether we be babes in Christ or seasoned saints, let's not make excuses for failure. I would so love to grab the Western Christian world and shake it until it pukes for its failure to take its focus off of its pathetic First World problems and gaze into history and to the modern east to see...

ATP, you are desperately clinging to denial. Their agape is "cold" which means "lifeless" and "dead" and if it were any other situation, that is exactly what you'd conclude.

ATP, the "elect" of God are those who possess agape, not the "agape-less" which Jesus says is their condition. The elect are known by their agape for God, for man, and by the agape perfected by God in them, not the "agape-less" condition of those who will not go to heaven. Just as nothing could...

ATP, stop denying what Jesus makes abundantly clear: They are agapeless. Does that mean they are not still loved by Jesus? No, Jesus yet loves them, but they will go to hell with the rest of those Jesus loves because they have no agape.