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I very much appreciate you responding to the O/P. Jesus said the "many" possessed agape that grows cold and dead. Agape love is the kind of love that comes only from God - which is why it's known as "Godly love". These "many" had to have been saints (sinners do not receive agape from God nor...

"Agape" in every post? Have you read the O/P? It's an analysis of what Jesus said in Matthew 24:212-13 KJV and I'm trying to steer the conversation back to it, because people seem to think that steering away from the thread topic is the best way to meet the challenges that topic presents. So...

Thank you very much, sister. Used to let insults and attacks be a source for severe indignation but God showed me the stark contrast in how He and Satan deal with opposition to their respective kingdoms. Among the many examples of his "war against the saints", Satan through his Papal Antichrist...

ATP, if you ever have the courage to face the fact that OSAS demands that ex-saints who no longer possess "perfected agape" must still be counted among the heaven-bound saints who possess "perfected agape", it will be the first step in the cure of your Cognitive Dissonance. No, no, posting OSAS...

You are too kind, TB! My endless contention with those suffering from Cognitive Dissonance is not in vain, for God says His Word shall not return unto Him void and surely there is someone here who is beginning to realize that OSAS doesn't stand the test of Scripture. To lead them into the truth...

Post 167 is your assumed OSAS "proof text" which has nothing to do with this thread's analysis of the impact of Matthew 24:12 KJV on OSAS, which is devastatingly destructive. The Bible speaks of false prophets preaching "smooth sayings", and what could be more smooth a saying than for them to...

Once you realize that heaven bound saints are those who possess agape for God, for fellow man, and agape perfected in them, then you will know that the "many" of Matthew 24:12 are former saints who are now lost, but you'll only come to that realization if you give up the false security of OSAS...

He certainly wasn't lying when He referred to the "many" as having allowed their agape to grow cold and dead. Unfortunately, there are those among us that actually conclude that Jesus was referring to LOST people when speaking of this agape of theirs. There are quadrupeds that have better...

Amen, bro

You refuse to acknowledge the operative word "AGAPE" here because you know full well that only saints are capable of partaking of it. Your OSAS ideas will prove themselves to be nothing more than a ropes of sand in the time of trouble.

Friend, it saddens me that you have fallen victim to the absolutely supersonically ludicrous idea that lost people are capable of recieving and imparting AGAPE. So looking forward to when Jesus comes back to cleanse His church of such stupidity.

That's an assumption on your part and a rediculous one at that. Rather, the text is crystal clear that the agape of the "many" saints grows cold and dead, Saints are known by "agape perfected in them", not this cold, dead agape which disqualifies these former saints from being among the number...

Too bad the "many" of verse 12 failed that same test and are no longer heavenbound - unless you believe that "agape-less" former saints who can no longer keep the Two Great Commandments and are no longer in possession of agape for God, for man, and agape perfected in them (which the Bible says...

Brother, I'm very wary where I cast my pearls and I dang sure don't want to cast them before someone who believes "agape-less" people who are no longer capable of keeping the Two Great Commandments are going to heaven.

Just as the Antinomialists are to chicken to publicly declare that we may freely break the Ten Commandments, not one OSAS believer has the intestinal fortitude to publicly declare that the "agape-less" former saints of Matthew 24:12 KJV who can no longer keep the Two Great Commandments and who...

TB, you are so on target. Why cannot people accept that which is plainly before them in black and white? To admit these former "agape-less" saints are not going to heaven is to abandon OSAS forever, but Cognitive Dissonance is a strong satanic instrument of deception keeping people in bondage to...

Friend, the "many" in verse 12 that Jesus referred to were not "false prophets", but grace saved, born-again saints. How do we know this to be true? Because they were partakers of "agape" love - which is "selfless, self sacrificing GODLY love" - which they allowed to grow cold because of...

So, you're saying the "many" of Matthew 24:11 KJV who no longer possess agape and lack the ability to love God and their fellow man are going to heaven?

So far, no one who subscribes to OSAS has been able to explain how these "agape-less" ex-saints of Matthew 24:12 KJV whose agape grew cold and dead ("ex-saints" because they no longer have agape for God [1 John 4:20 KJV], agape for one another [John 13:35 KJV], and agape perfected in them [1...

I'm sorry but I'm having trouble understanding how your post relates to the O/P, which is the impact of Matthew 24:12-13 KJV on OSAS. It seems that OSAS fails to stand the Biblical scrutiny of Jesus' words when He refers to their "cold agape" - cold and dead agape for sure - which is anything...