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We're in agreement on two resurrection groups — the just, the unjust. Where we disagree is what "the first resurrection" means. You take it as ordinal — slot one in a numbered sequence, with a second one following later. My argument is that it's a name. "The first resurrection" is a title for...

That would be these verses? 1 Peter 3:19-20 19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

EXACTLY! Unless a person is born again of what? The incorruptible seed - the incorruptible word of God. A brand new believer literally knows nothing about the bible. No need to debate this one either. 1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of...

No offense and no disrespect intended but I don't like arguing back and forth on issues that we will never even come close to agreeing on.

Wrong on both counts. A believer is not born again when he believes. I've given my piece on this, you don't agree and that's fine. We can go back and forth forever on this and accomplish nothing. There will be other topics for us to discuss but not this one.

I'm not going to argue over it. You are free to believe whatever you want.

You just admitted there is no time gap in Daniel 12 by saying "Daniel like other passages does not mention the time gap". And you think I'm bending Daniel 12? You said yourself there is no time gap in Daniel 12.

A believer is resurrected as soon as he believes (that is the resurrection) and will be translated into a glorified body whenever it's time for the believer to leave this world and go to heaven.

I'm not giving my interpretation of this, a seed works the way it works, it's biology and you can't interpret biology.

Could you explain what the dispensation of innocence is?

There's only one and it's called salvation by grace through faith. That covers from Adam to present time and will be true in the future. There are two religions in the whole world - "do" and "done". The law is "do" and grace is "done". The only true religion in the world is biblical...

Yes Paul uses a planted seed to illustrate the resurrection. Seed body → Human body Life in the seed → Soul/Spirit in the human body Death of the seed → Death of the human body Life transfers to the new plant → Life transfers to the new body Seed body returns to the earth → Human body returns...

Paul uses a seed as his way to explain how the resurrection works. The Resurrection Body 1Co 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 1Co 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 1Co 15:37 And that which...

When a seed is planted, the new plant is not the old seed “regenerated”. That old seed rots in the ground and remains in the ground forever and the new plant is a completely new creation. When your view of the resurrection lines up with that analogy, then you will have it right. Right now your...

rwb, you say our mortal bodies will be "changed from mortal to immortal" — but that actually contradicts the very analogy Paul uses to explain how resurrection works. Paul says in v.37: "thou sowest not that body that shall be." The seed that goes into the ground is explicitly NOT the body that...

I’m always open to changing my view on anything if the evidence is good enough. I do know “thousand” represents Gods property or dominion of earthly things. Whether that’s the intended meaning in Rev 20, I’m pretty sure it is, but I’m open to any evidence that it’s not. I really don’t care...

You are correct David but if you read that from a King James it is the “the firstfruits of them that SLEPT - past tense, they are no longer sleeping. 1Co 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Read the Psalms, it’s full of David writing about Christ.

What old dispensation? A person or a people are either unsaved and under the law or saved and under grace.

The first group was the Old Testament saints that rose with Christ. The next group are believers after the cross. The thousand years represents life on earth under the dominion (10) of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit - 10 x 10 x 10 = 1000. The cattle on a thousand hills are the...