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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    God knows all the circumstances of our lives....how and why we were tempted, what circumstances the devil was exploiting and even what he conspired to do that would make us more apt to be tempted. In God's justness and mercy and compassion He provided the way to be forgiven and rescued from the...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    The Lord is sovereign over all....He knows the end from the beginning. Based on His foreknowledge He has made some to be vessels of mercy and others to be vessels of wrath.......it is.based on their own choices. "Smoke" of their torment rising forever doesn't have to mean they will be in...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    The Lord is not wanting that any should perish, yet scripture is very clear that many will. Funny that you are alluding/citing that verse when you don't believe any will perish. But you still havent' answered my question about what it means to perish and be destroyed. The human spirit...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. 1 Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    No, it says the SPIRIT (ruah) returns to God who gave it. The soul is spirit and body together. Salvation of the soul (eternal life) requires redemption of the body also.
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    Those scrips are the point. But falling on deaf ears, I'm afraid. And v. 24 doesn't say "all" in any case...your translation has added that word. Salvation is by FAITH in Christ......justification is by FAITH in Christ, not without it. All of scripture warns of a coming...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    You want to "go with" the first verse of Job 21 and ignore all the other scriptures...? Yes, all die....the flesh is dead because of sin.....but only the redeemed are resurrected to life and receive immortal bodies....that is what salvation of the soul is all about...the unredeemed are...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    I don’t know what translation you are using or why you consistently isolate verses and ignore context. Context here is about the gospel being open and available to “all”, ie both Jew and Gentile (the world). And these very scriptures also affirm very plainly the need to believe in Jesus to be...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    I agree that the picture of hell that we have been given in the west is a medieval construct…agree that it came through the RCC. I don’t believe that “hell” is some sort of giant medieval torture chamber where people are being tortured for eternity. What I do glean from scripture is that hell is...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    Hell...gehenna....is simply death. Choose life or choose death...ie, eternal life or permanent death. Death will feed on the wicked forever. Not literally, but it is conveying the sense that once judged and consigned to death there will be no coming back from it.....it is the sentence of...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    Yes, I believe the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was a test and tutor.....because God wasn't going to stop at making man "good", but He wanted to make him "perfect". That Tree foreshadowed the Law in some ways. The fall of man came with hardships and consequences that we are to learn from...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    It's obvious and clear that the whole world is not reconciled to God, otherwise they would "know" Him and acknowledge Him. They would be able to perceive Him because when one comes to Christ and is reconciled to God He is revealed to the heart. and one enters into a living two-way relationship...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    As I said, observing and living in creation may cause the heart to open and seek the Lord, and He has promised that those who seek shall find. Act 17:24-27 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    I'm not sidestepping anything. It's hard for this old gal to keep up with every single post/comment/point made on forums as well as keep up with life behind the computer screen. I've many times said that John is making the point that the atonement is available to not only the Jews, but...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    The Lord is sovereign over even this, and He is just. Isn't mankind without excuse?.....what may be known of God can be seen in creation.....people whose hearts are inclined can seek the Lord and if/when they do He will answer them by some means. He has ways of stepping in and reaching the...
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    Why doesn't your "whole Bible view" include Universalism?

    I don't dismiss those or any scriptures..........I endeavour to rightly divide and understand them, with the help of the Holy Spirit and in light of the whole counsel of God. Strange thing my friend, that in spite of Jesus having died and rose again for the sins of the whole world that the...
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    If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

    You are continuing to isolate a single sentence there. That is not how to rightly divide scripture in general and what is being taught in that passage specifically as a whole. All fallen humans belong to Adam in that we were born of his flesh....that is why all die. But not all belong to...
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    If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

    Do you need me to post the WHOLE passage again?
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    If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

    I have already explained it the best I can. And I don't believe you would accept it no matter how it is explained.....we need ears to hear what the Spirit is saying don't we. The whole passage is clearly talking to believers about believers. It is explaining salvation with respect to...
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    If Christian Universalism is true, what's the point in evangelism?

    Doesn't matter what anyone says, you will just continue choosing to ignore context and all the rest of scripture. Still waiting for you to answer my question, as you love to ask so many questions while not answering any. What does it mean to perish and what do other terms such as perdition...