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Edom was a literal kingdom, however it is also allegorical for what Rev. 14 is talking about. It's destruction as a literal kingdom is/was forever....since it has never risen again as a kingdom. As also the destruction of those who worship the beast will be forever. The word "forever" in...

Have you ever studied out such words as eternity, forever, everlasting, etc in the OT Hebrew? For example Ps. 9:5 says God will destroy the wicked and blot out their name forever. God is not teaching anything different in the new testament Greek. And I still would like to know how you...

You are reasoning with man's reasonings. Do you understand what Godly holy fear is? It is essentially worship. He is WORTHY to be feared, WORTHY to be worshiped, WORTHY of our love and obeisance and subjection, WORTHY of our awe and reverence. And we are NOT worthy...hence the two standards...

After His resurrection, Jesus breathed on His disciples and said "Receive ye the Holy Spirit." They couldn't be born of the spirit until after Jesus rose from the dead. But they still needed to wait to be filled with the Holy Spirit when He came at Pentecost. Elsewhere it was asked of...

The OT scrips are full of prophecies and words and prophetic foreshadowings about the Messiah/Jesus and the new covenant and kingdom of God, but they werent' revealed until He came. He was and is the key of David who unlocks all those OT scrips and the apostles wrote to expound them and flesh...

It is like when the Lord rebukes you.....it gets the job done that needed to be done. Your heart just submits. It is a holy fear, not carnal.

Yes that is the false accusation that keeps many from coming to Him.....because they do not understand/perceive spiritual truth and reject what He says. So I guess you are one of them then....? Anyway I don't care to stay and argue with those who are choosing their own way, it is like arguing...

Your understanding of the fear of the Lord is carnal and unspiritual. In other words, you do not understand it.

Amen. The bible says man is like the beasts that perish, meant to be taken and destroyed.....oh dear, there's that dreaded word again. But many think they know better than God and that their way is more righteous than His. They are choosing their own way. In all their thinking I hope they...

I've heard quite a few testimonies of people being shown hell by the Lord and that is what caused them to be willing to receive Christ. The bible says some save by compassion, some save by fear. Some do need the fear of God in them in order to come to Jesus. What does damnation mean? What...

It is not an intellectual exercise, but spiritual via the Holy Spirit....we will have Christ revealed to us when we come to faith but without receiving the Holy Spirit subsequent to that we cannot learn the deep things of God...we cannot really grow: 1Co 2:9-14 But as it is written, Eye hath...

My point is just that Paul saw/heard things that apparently weren't in the bible. And I don't doubt his experience was of the Lord. But in teaching/preaching one should not go beyond with is written. And I agree there is no need to, because what we have been given in scripture is sufficient...

Well, for me, I'm talking about the latter. And I often use the words revelation and illumination interchangeably. Although when Paul went to the third heaven, he saw/heard things that he was not permitted to tell...that must mean what he saw/heard wasn't in scripture because I don't think...

The faith was once delivered, yes, the foundational things...but after that we grow in stages, or progressively. May I ask what your background or affiliation is.....eg,Baptist or Pentecostal....cessationist or charismatic etc.....? I wish there were a place on the avatar for people to put...

And deeper submission requires deeper understanding of what is written, would you agree? We often gloss over so many things in scripture without really understanding them, or we may see them only on a superficial, carnal or literal level until we gain more understanding. There are not "new...

I think you meant to say "without faith in Christ" there brother.....and I certainly agree. Epi must be talking about the time before Jesus came, or rather gleaning it from those earlier scrips.....but it's a mistake to try and apply the same in this age after Jesus died and rose from the dead...

By which mind are we are to love God though? I dont' think this is referring to our natural carnal mind of flesh...since we are told the carnal mind is enmity with God and that the natural man can't perceive/understand the things of God. So it must be talking about the renewed mind, the mind...

Yes, this caught my eye. We can be susceptible because of human emotions and loyalties. But Jesus said if we love mother, father, brother, sister, and even our own children more than Him we are not worthy of Him. There comes a point where we need to "separate from the herd" so to speak and...

I do understand it in my heart...you are preaching to the choir with that. But "in principle" means I don't agree with where you may be applying or attributing it in this thread.

Amen....looking into the mirror of God's word and seeing why we need Jesus! We are so lost without Him, heading for perdition and deservedly so. We need both the instruction and encouragement that comes from God's word, but oh my, it is also like fuller's soap when it shows us what we are, our...