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  1. rebuilder 454

    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    What a reckless, non biblical, impossible to defend position. None of your doctrine rings true. More poorly thought out , non biblical replacement theology
  2. rebuilder 454

    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    1 The 12 tribes are ethnically designated. They are ethnic Jews. 2 It clearly says they will be grafted back in LATER...OUTSIDE the gentile church. Vividly declared. 3 You made up, out of thin air, your placement of the 144k as nothing to do with ethnic Jews...you literally made that up with...
  3. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The 144k are eternally declared as first fruits. They can ONLY BE firstfruits if the PRECEDE main harvest. Your doctrine omits 2 of the three harvests of rev 14. You see the third, unto destruction, then label all into destruction . Really???? You need to carefully re read rev 14. The fact is...
  4. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    What is mind blowing is those that ignore, reframe, or omit the words of Jesus, declaring a pretrib gathering of the bride. The words if Jesus.
  5. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    i doubt we agree because i am not replacement theology
  6. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Rev 14 is a Jewish harvest. The gentile church has been in heaven since the advent of the ac....pretrib. That is why we see the "innumerable number" early on in the gt. They are the last of the church age. All martyrs. Millions of them.
  7. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Times of the gentiles. Described in romans.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    you kidding? Elijah Enoch Paul John Those in paradise that were resurrected at the ascention..the patriarchs. The innumerable number before the throne in rev. ... just off the top of my head.
  9. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Interesting, because they are ALL MARTYRED during the trib...just like you posted They are the left behinds that missed the rapture of the 5 wise virgins. They were not protected. Think about it. Millions or billions martyred during the trib. Postribs say they are protected during the trib. That...
  10. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    There are several dynamics. Tribulation, attacks, and natural storms of life and evil people. [TRIBULA'TION, noun [Latin tribulo, to thrash, to beat.] Severe affliction; distresses of life; vexations.[ (websters dictionary) Note it is not referring to a flat tire,or bad neighbor. there is...
  11. rebuilder 454

    Olivet Discourse present or future?

    Rev 19 decares a different dynamic than your beliefs. also... The dialogue at the last supper has us in heaven for the feast and dwellings.
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    Olivet Discourse present or future?

    Completely wrong. The AC requires a mark. To refuse the mark means martyrdom. All believers are killed ,or take the mark, except for the Jews ushered to safety. Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in...
  13. rebuilder 454

    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    "Statements like this, put all of your interpretations into question." Yep You got some interpretation issues for sure. You can not just skip rom 11 Let me get this straight, The 144k are not really 144k ethnic Jews? The jewish tribes vividly depicted are something else? are they first...
  14. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    OK,in Gods purposes,there is a marriage in heaven with the bride,in glorified bodies. Jesus pointed to this at the last supper. The wedding feast and the marriage It is seen in rev 19 as already happened in heaven, during the gt. Your position is bizzare There are several places people receive...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    he is coming at the beginning of the trib and at the end as is eternally declared in mat 24/ luke 17. Yes, I agree with that eternal declaration of God's word as Jesus vividly outlined in mat 24./ luke 17 one day you also will began to agree with God's word. Mat 24 37 But as the days of Noah...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    We all know what "ch" is. Yes, that "ch" has verses you omit. (you know,the ones about a group cut off, and the GENTILES grafted in, and those same cut off ones grafted back in)
  17. rebuilder 454

    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    ...also the word of God frames the church age in "the times of the gentiles completed " and The tribulation period as "jacobs Trouble," or "Israel's trouble". IOW, Replacement theology removes the understanding of the PURPOSE of the trib.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Pretty sure the "last trump" is blown every year at the feast of trumpets where trumpets are blown in sets a timeframes.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Omission. Always omit verses from rom 11. Why????????? Nobody, noone, is disputing the tree is Jesus.