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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    What did i tell you? I asked you to post a verse. I then told you that you would not do it, but instead repeat the challenge. How did i know that??? Because none of you have EVER answered that challenge. No verses. None in your last post. Let me help you. Matthew 24 Jesus uses the phrase "after...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    " know" He did not say" i never knew you" They missed the rapture, not salvation. Jesus said " pray that you may be counted worthy..." The 5 wise were worthy. The 10 virgin parable is "worthy vs unworthy" When the bible says " mary had not known a man, it did not mean she was lost forever. It...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Not only are they resurrected saints, but the wedding supper has taken place in heaven. ...as prophesied by Jesus at the last supper.
  4. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Both sides believe all that. The game changer is that the pretrib rapture verses, make a postrib rapture impossible. You cant erase the pretrib rapture verses.
  5. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The pretrib rapture verses. You can not erase them.
  6. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Pretrib rapture is easy to defend. I can easily defend it without ascribing johns ascension to the rapture.
  7. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    If you walk in the spirit, the word of God would agree. Sorry to inform you of that.
  8. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Re read it. Without changing it. "11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. 13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" Don't add to it, or modify...
  9. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Then change the setting of the pretrib rapture verses, because you need every single one of them changed.
  10. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I know the postrib truth. It is rev 19 Jesus returns with saints on billions of horses blackening the sky. There are no postrib rapture verses.
  11. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Again Post a verse. Otherwise you are just talking in assumptions. Show me where your doctrine gets any standing. Should be easy for you. I mean are you serious that you can not come up with a postrib rapture verse?
  12. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Nope Firstfruit JEWS. I know the facts destroy doctrine. Thak you Jesus for your word.
  13. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    he came to paul and john. So that fails what you are insinuating
  14. rebuilder 454

    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You are anti pretrib rapture. You dont know the postrib rapture doctrine. All you know is pretrib rapture can not be right. You do not have any verses. About all you do when challenged is repeat the same challenge. You guys are so embarrassed. Otherwise you would be proud of your doctrine and...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Dodging flying scorpions. You have never experienced the great trib That is made up by men. The AC kills all refusing the mark. Only the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions. All believers are martyred. Early in the trib we see billions of believers killed. Martyred. Beleivers. A sea of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Biblical truth. I challenge all pretrib opposition to post a verse pointing to a made up postrib rapture. Neither you nor anyone can.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    In the pretrib rapture the bridegroom comes for the bride. he meets the bride in the air and they go back to the father's house where he has built Mansions prepared for his bride. in Revelation 14 the Jews are gathered. the 144k are first fruits then main Harvest of Jews during the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    He did Made it clear and vivid. You do not believe it.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    times of gentiles completed. Where is that?. Where does your doctrine address the covenant Jew? I already addressed it. Replacement theology makes grand canyon leaps and is incubated in omission.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The last trump is blown every year at the feast if trumpets. Making a doctrine over cliches is not the high ground. IOW, You can not defend a post seal rapture