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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The gathering is the rapture. Noah and lot gathered. Neither gathered post judgement. A special problem with noah is that not only was he not gathered post flood, but RETURNED BACK TO EARTH POSTFLOOD/POSTRIB. FROM OVER A MILE INTO THE ATMOSPHERE. Definately and vividly the pretrib rapture to...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The 4 horsemen begin the gt. Judgement begins and increases for 7 years.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Where do you see "half filled"
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Either take the mark or die. We see them all in heaven as billions and innumerable No rapture at tge 2nd coming on horses. All the saints and messianic jews are harvested and have attended the wedding
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Revelation 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    this is the true heart of the issue. I would add that there is a worthiness to going in the rapture. Jesus said because you have kept the word of my testimony, I will keep you from the hour of Temptation about to come upon the whole Earth Jesus said pray that you may be counted worthy to escape...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    yes I will shortly
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    It is also leaving the 99 and going after the lost 1... Israel
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    "Endure unto the end" That is what all the dead in Christ did. And all outside the meaning you are putting on that verse. You misquote. That is what you are doing.
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    Who Really Are The 144,000?

    Replacement theology. Very poorly thought out, and romans reveals its erroneous existence.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    i always have "a" verse. Many verses. The martyrs are confined to under the throne in heaven till their number is fulfilled. The innumerable martyrs are not confined. They are in the general population. Therefore ,the Number fulfilled. Pretrib rapture Then the AC Martyrs all refusing the mark...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Maybe a verse or two? Otherwise it is a monologue.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Do you ever discuss a verse? Rambling on in generalities with no verses is just taking up space.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    There was no post flood gathering Only a pre flood gathering.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    What is half filled?
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    That is the return on white horses. Who is on the white horses? Where did they mount them? Pretrib rapture harmonizes with this and the wedding feast. Postrib rapture adherents have to explain why the obvious is jettisoned
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    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Does the AC kill all refusing the mark?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    They have lamps They have oil They are with the wise and indistinguishable They are waiting for Jesus. So they are dedicated. But beyond that, they are virgins. Virgins = undefiled/pure. They are in fact saved saints. Look at the rebukes to BELIEVERS in the 7 letters to the 7 churches. All that...