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  1. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    How is it from God if it says "Without grace, you would simply be animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason"? It doesn't say that God has given people reason, it clearly says that we would be animals that had evolved to have reason (without grace...
  2. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    I've read very little of her writings because on the two occasions that I have (in posts on this forum) there were sentences in the first paragraph or two that were clearly at odds with Scripture, so it was obviously not to be trusted and should be avoided. I base my beliefs on the Bible, the...
  3. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    Continuing from post #59... Confident of papal approval, Father Berti brought the books to the Vatican press. However, in 1949, two commissioners of the Holy Office, Msgr. Giovanni Pepe and Father Berruti, O.P., condemned the "Poem," ordering Berti to hand over every copy and sign an agreement...
  4. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    Here is one of the references on the Wikipedia page in full. It's fairly clear why nobody should believe Maria'a writings to be genuinely from Jesus: Author: Fr. Mitch Pacwa IS "THE POEM OF THE MAN-GOD" SIMPLY A BAD NOVEL? Maria Valtorta's multi-volume life of Jesus flirts...
  5. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    I don't believe it was Jesus who spoke to Maria Valtorta. From WikiPedia ("The Poem of the Man-God"): On 16 December 1959, the Congregation of the Holy Office ordered the 4-volume work entitled "The Poem of the Man-God" placed on the Index of Forbidden Books. Pope John XXIII approved the...
  6. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    It says that man evolved "to be endowed with reason", which is not consistent with Scripture. Man was made perfect, with reasoning powers, and has been degenerating ever since Adam's first sin, not evolving to something better. We don't have more reasoning powers than our ancestors because of...
  7. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    That's not proof that I am reading it wrongly! Evolution as a single species and evolution from one species to another are different - and both are not possible!
  8. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    According to Paul, there are nine gifts of the Holy Spirit that God may give to Christians. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (WEB): (4) Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. (5) There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord. (6) There are various kinds of workings, but the...
  9. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    It's still there! It says we are "animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is regardless of whether we have grace or are "without grace". To reach a point in evolution we would have to be evolving. Evolution doesn't happen - it's...
  10. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    It says that people are "creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is incorrect - mankind has not gained its reasoning powers due to evolution. God created man with the ability to reason. Adam and Eve were created as perfect humans. Genesis 1...
  11. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    This demonstrates that these "dictations from Jesus Christ" were in fact deceptions from demons, for Jesus would not mislead people to believe in evolution. Evolution has been proven beyond doubt to be a false theory. Jesus would teach the Bible truth, that God created man in one day; man did...
  12. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    I don't understand how you could think that what I wrote meant that I was calling you an unbeliever. Such a thought never entered my head when I wrote that post. All I wrote was: Well if you're not interested in finding out what God's Word to us actually means, that's your choice. As for me...
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    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    See Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.
  14. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Taken in context, Ecclesiastes 4:1-3 (WEB): (1) Then I returned and saw all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold, the tears of those who were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter. (2) Therefore...
  15. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    If dying never ends then it is not death - it's still eternal life! If the death is eternal then it means you can never become alive again. Life is life; physical or not is not relevant to whether you are alive or dead, and conscious or not. John 3:36 (36) He that believeth on the Son hath...
  16. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Ecclesiastes 9:4-10 (WEB): (4) For to him who is joined with all the living there is hope; for a living dog is better than a dead lion. (5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead don’t know anything, neither do they have any more a reward; for their memory is forgotten. (6) Also...
  17. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Well if you're not interested in finding out what God's Word to us actually means, that's your choice. As for me, I want to learn and understand the truth. 2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 (WEB): (8) Then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and...
  18. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    I did search about it before I posted. Wikipedia states the structure of Ecclesiastes as: Title (1:1) Initial poem (1:2–11) I: Kohelet's investigation of life (1:12–6:9) II: Kohelet's conclusions (6:10–11:6) Introduction (6:10–12) A: Man cannot discover what is good for him to do (7:1–8:17)...
  19. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    Do you really think that I don't know why Jesus gave himself as a sacrifice?! o_O Acts 3:25 (WEB): (25) You are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘In your offspring will all the families of the earth be blessed.’ How are...
  20. keithr

    A response to the false doctrine of eternal conscious torment (ECT)

    You obviously don't know what the significance Gehenna is, so I'm going to have to help you understand it :). Gehenna was an actual place just outside Jerusalem, so obviously "our" body will not go there when you and I die (I see you live in Israel, but I still don't think you're likely to end...