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  1. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Do you believe that the man Jacob/Israel is scattered to lots of nations? The phrase "Therefore don’t be afraid, O Jacob my servant, says Yahweh. Don’t be dismayed, Israel. For, behold, I will save you from afar, and save your offspring from the land of their captivity. Jacob will return, and...
  2. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, I don't think there is any evidence to deduce that. Michael is described as just "one of the chief princes/angels", i.e. one of the archangels, a chief angel appointed to watch over the nation of Israel (Daniel 12:1). All angels were created by God's son, Jesus (Colossians 1:16), so I...
  3. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Then again, the Cambridge Bible Notes states: confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] On overwhelming evidence (AB, Coptic, Aethiopic, Vulgate, &c.) we must omit the words ‘that Christ is come in the flesh’, retaining only confesseth not Jesus: the additional words are an obvious...
  4. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    No, he wrote that "every spirit who doesn’t confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God, and this is the spirit of the Antichrist" (1 John 4:3). It does not say that Jesus forever remains in the flesh. Attention to detail is important! Jesus appeared in human form several...
  5. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Numbers 23:19 (WEB): (19) God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should repent. John 4:24 (KJV): (24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Are angels divine? They descend and acend too: Genesis 28:12 (WEB): (12) He...
  6. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    When Jesus was transfigured, who was he seen talking with. Was it Elijah and Enoch, or Elijah and Moses? :contemplate:
  7. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    John 6:51 (WEB): (51) I am the living bread which came down out of heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. Yes, the bread which I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.” His flesh was the sacrifice which Jesus gave "for the life of the world". You cannot take...
  8. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I don't think that can be correct. Isaiah 26:19 says (WEB): (19) Your dead shall live. My dead bodies shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust; for your dew is like the dew of herbs, and the earth will cast out the departed spirits. That is definitely talking about really dead...
  9. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Here are some clues from the Old Testament that the church does not go through the Great Tribulation, i.e. the rapture is pre-tribulation. Isaiah 26: 19) Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of...
  10. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Have you not considered the evidence of Revelation 11:5-6? WEB: (5) If anyone desires to harm them, fire proceeds out of their mouth and devours their enemies. If anyone desires to harm them, he must be killed in this way. (6) These have the power to shut up the sky, that it may not rain...
  11. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    Spritual beings are not physical beings. Elohim is the Hebrew word meaning gods, and is used specifically and mainly to refer to God. God is not physical - He is (a) spirit (John 4:24). Everything physical is part of God's creation. There is no such thing as a divine human. Jesus was a...
  12. keithr

    I have noticed the following Negatives about the 'rapture'...

    I'm struggling to see any love in your posts. You should be more resprectful and polite in your posts. Filter out your frustration and concentrate on sharing how you understand the Scriptures. We all want to understand the Scriptures as best we can, and different interpretations test and help...
  13. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    You don't need a parachute in order to descend from a plane, and Jesus doesn't need to make a noise in order to come down from heaven! The Greek word en can be translated many ways. It could be that "with" is correct, or it could be that "at" is the correct interpretation. Strong's says...
  14. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Where does it state in the Bible that the rapture is something that will happen secretly? Why are you assuming that piles of clothes and jewelry will be left behind? I don't think the Bible says either of those things. Regarding the shout, or trumpet, it does not specify whether or not it...
  15. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    No, he wasn't referring to Jesus' coming in glory in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17, he was referring to "our gathering together to him" (2 Th 2:1). That's a different event to Jesus' "glorious coming". With the gathering, Christians are taken from the earth to heaven, whereas at the second coming the...
  16. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    I've never before heard anyone claim that Jesus' "coming" or "presence" referred to his being made king in heaven. I can't help feeling that Paul would have worded this differently if "presence" meant "enthroning" - 1 Thessalonians 3:13 (WEB): (13) to the end he may establish your hearts...
  17. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    What has the 1 Cor. 12 got to do with Jesus' presence? It's about Christians all being members of the body of Christ. There is no mention at all of any period of time nor of Jesus' presence on the earth. The resurrection of Christians is not spread out over many years, as you suppose. The 1...
  18. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Refer back to my post #161. 1 Thessalonians 4:14 (KJV): (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. Paul is reassuring those that were grieving for their fellow Christians that had died. Remember that this was the...
  19. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    2 Peter 3 (WEB): (8) But don’t forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (9) The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all...
  20. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    I agree (except that they will live for up to 1,000 years before dying a second time). Perhaps I misunderstood your previous post. I thought that when you said "false prophecies ie: the whole dying a second time thing" that you were saying that the second death was a false prophecy. Perhaps...