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  1. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    False prohecy? Are you calling Jesus a liar when he said, John 3:16 (WEB): (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. ("perish" is translated from the Greek apollumi meaning 'to destroy fully'.)...
  2. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    :contemplate: It makes no sense to resurrect people that you have already judged to be condemned to death. There's no point in restoring people to life to then immediately kill them! The dead are restored to life, through the merit of Christ's redeeming sacrifice, and their past sins are...
  3. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Revelation 5:10 (KJV): (10) And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. or (MKJV): (10) And You made us kings and priests to our God, and we will reign over the earth. So during the Millenium the reign will be from heaven, but after that it will be from...
  4. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    That is not what it says! A better translation of 4:15 is that the living saints shall not "precede", or as the MKJV puts it, "shall not go before those who are asleep" (and the GNB says, "will not go ahead of those who have died"). Paul goes on to explain in the next two verses that the dead...
  5. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    I was responding to your claim that "The resurrected are not raptured". My claim is that the resurrected (as spirit beings) Christians are caught up (raptured) at the same time along with the living Christians who are changed to be spirit beings. That is what I believe 1 Thessalonians 4:17 is...
  6. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    As Jesus taught us to pray in Matthew 6:10 (ISV): (10) May your kingdom come. May your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. The Greek word that's translated as kingdom, basileia, means "reign", or as the Online Bible Greek Lexicon says, "not to be confused with an actual kingdom but...
  7. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Why the double negative? Are you deliberately trying to be confusing! Yes, entering and inheriting are different. Christians share in Jesus' inheritance of the Kingdom of God - Romans 8:16-17 (WEB): (16) The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God; (17) and if...
  8. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Err, no! The passage I quoted said that we can't inherit God's Kingdom if we are flesh and blood (physical), that we will be changed and we will be resurrected with a spiritual body. That doesn't sound like a physical resurrection to me!
  9. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    I thought we were discussing whether or not there will be one resurrection or two resurrections, not the timing of when the first resurrection will occur relative to the Millenium. Correct. The first resurrection (of Christians only) is a resurrection to a spiritual nature, not a physical...
  10. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Really? I didn't spot any Christians being caught away and disappearing from the earth. When did that happen. And if Jesus is now ruling with a rod of iron and Satan has been bound up, well, it's definitely not working! And if, Revelation 1:7 (WEB): (7) Behold, he is coming with the...
  11. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    The first resurrection, of the Church only: Revelation 20:6 (WEB): (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years. (Only Christians will...
  12. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Err, what about Revelation 20:6? (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
  13. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    It does describe events that will happen, and it is mostly descibed in the order of events. Revelation 1:19 (WEB): (19) Write therefore the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will happen hereafter; One - but which one?! There is one resurrection for...
  14. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Perhaps you didn't notice ElieG12's underlining part of Rev. 20:6? (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years. Later it describes the...
  15. keithr

    the return of Jesus Christ .... I see two phases

    The "7th trumpet"? I think your assumption is wrong. The Cambridge Bible Notes says: at the last trump] Some have referred this to the last of the seven trumpets in Revelation 8-11. See especially Rev_10:7. But this cannot be, since the visions recorded in that book had not yet been seen. It...
  16. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    John 5:28-29 (WEB): (28) Don’t marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice, (29) and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. I think that "those who have...
  17. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Don't forget that the Book of Revelation is, Revelation 1:1 (WEB): (1) This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John, It is Jesus revealing new things...
  18. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Revelation 20:6 (WEB): (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years. Why does it say the first resurrection if there is only one...
  19. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Some verses to consider, 2 Peter 3:5-13 (WEB): (5) For this they willfully forget that there were heavens from of old, and an earth formed out of water and amid water by the word of God; (6) by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. (7) But the heavens...
  20. keithr

    The "other" resurrection

    This is how I understand it: The first resurrection, of the Church, occurs before the Great Tribulation, and before Christ's 1,000 year reign (Millennial Age). The first resurrection is described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (WEB): (15) For this we tell you by the word of the Lord...