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  1. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    That may be true to some extent, however, that doesn’t mean one can just assume that because someone isn’t a scholar any contradiction they see is invalid. So far that about all I’ve seen you say Jim. Every time someone says something you disagree with you claim they’re not a scholar. Do you...
  2. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    And I go back to the fact that one doesn't have to be a Bible scholar to see contradictions. Just like one doesn't have to be a mathematician to know that 1+1 doesn't equal three. Jim, are you suggesting that only those who have degrees in these subjects you've listed can be saved? I mean...
  3. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    No offense Jim, but this seems to be the argument with everyone so far. I am not uneducated or ignorant and I gave you sound arguments for what I believe. However, it seems to me that you continue to beat the same drum. No doubt. However, he said he was going to refute my doctrine. I am just...
  4. Butch5

    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    Firstly, Zeke, I have no denominational horn to blow as I don't adhere to denominations. Denominations divide the body and Jesus prayed that His followers would be one. Regarding Justin, I wanted to make sure we are on the same page. You said, "I am saying that Justin was a heretic based upon...
  5. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Here are a few you can start with, 215, 222, 271, 273, 278, 307, 310, 321, 329, 339,
  6. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Here is post 305 from Stan. I bolded the text above. I've given several examples in this tread. I'm just waiting for the refutation
  7. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    I've not put anyone down. Stan made a claim and didn't produce.
  8. Butch5

    Justin Martyr was a heretic

    Let me make sure I understand you. Are you saying Justin was a heretic based on your understanding of Scripture?
  9. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Just like I thought. Stan, I think it's apparent to everyone that you have nothing.
  10. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    The funny thing is Stan, you are the one who said you were going to refute my doctrine. So, it's you who should be doing the explaining. You should be explaining how my doctrine is wrong. However, so far I've seen nothing. You posted a few passage that you claimed show that man is a spirit, yet...
  11. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    BGT 1 Chronicles 29:10 καὶ εὐλόγησεν ὁ βασιλεὺς Δαυιδ τὸν κύριον ἐνώπιον τῆς ἐκκλησίας λέγων εὐλογητὸς εἶ κύριε ὁ θεὸς Ισραηλ ὁ πατὴρ ἡμῶν ἀπὸ τοῦ αἰῶνος καὶ ἕως τοῦ αἰῶνος KJV 1 Chronicles 29:10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou...
  12. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Please provide an example Stan. Maybe after I address it you could address one of the issued I've already presented to you. Qualified credentials, huh? Did you read the rest of the post? Whose credentials would that be, the Calvinist, the Arminan, the Roman Catholic, Teh Eastern Orthodox, the...
  13. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Firstly Jim, Why assume people are playing games? When we post things they come from our understanding. Another person may not understand something the same way we do. What may seem clear to us (because we said it) may not be clear to someone else who isn't seeing it from our perspective. To...
  14. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    That's a cop out Stan, why not just admit your doctrine doesn't stand in the light of Scripture? You keep talking about people being in denial, I'd suggest looking in the mirror. There is a huge difference between saying I have a spirit and saying I am a spirit. Just like there is a huge...
  15. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    The souls of the martyrs literally underneath the alter? This is part of why this doctrine continues to exist. The book of Revelation is filled figurative language. If these souls are disembodied consciousnesses how then does they wear robes? It's figurative language Stan. What was under the...
  16. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    I think the Scriptures are pretty clear.
  17. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    I can agree with one thing you've said, 'this type of response is typical of people who can't support their assertions'. I haven't seen anything from you that teaches that man is a spirit. Posting passages that say man has a spirit is not the same as saying man "IS" a spirit. If I say I have a...
  18. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Sorry Stan, Nothing here says man is a spirit or that he is tripartite. I've already stated that man has a spirit, it is God's breath of life that is in all flesh. However, that breath isn't the man. I've already provided it. It's in the post you didn't address. Why do you believe the...
  19. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    Yep, When the doctrines are right it's amazing what you begin to see in the Scriptures.
  20. Butch5

    12 reasons why hell is not eternal conscious torment

    The Heavenly Destiny doctrine is so entrenched in Christianity that many times people don't even see the message in the Scriptures. God told man to rule over the creation, that's still the plan.