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Do you not know what you wrote? I gave refutation. So far all I've seen from you is denial. It doesn't mean that or it's spiritual. I have seen the first attempt at making a case, let alone a refutation. LIFE is what you are experiencing now Butch. It is not solely the spiritual realm. As...

Thanks, I'll point it out to him!

No problem my friend, I'm glad I could help. I applaud your search for truth, I too am always searching for the truth. It would be great if everyone would search for truth.

Yes, I guess we didn't discuss that. I've had so many conversations it's hard to remember what I said where. That is another of the problems with ECT. Scripture says the gift of eternal life is for the believer. According to ETC though everyone has eternal life. In the ETC doctrine it's just...

We're not talking about human opinion, we are talking about qualified Greek scholars who use form and function as part of their repertoire. God is clearly defined as without beginning or end and if you can show me where the Bible gives God's age I'll consider your rational, but you can't so I...

What are you talking about Stan? I've not equivicated so I don't know what you are talking about. According to Scripture man "IS" a soul composed of a body and breath/spirit.

Stan, It's not avoidance, the Scriptures are clear. The ECT doctrine is based on a few mistranslated verses. What are the wages of sin? Death, For God so loved the world that whoever believes may have eternal life and not what? Perish. Spirits have nothing to do with men perishing. Man isn't a...

Things can be continuous either in eternity or not eternity. Consider this analogy, there is a wicked man and Jesus. Both Jesus and the wicked man breath day and night. Jesus has already been resurrected so His breathing will continue for eternity. The wicked man, however, has not been...

These things don't mean that day and night is eternal. For instance, all humans breathe day and night. Every human's heart beats day and night. These things while continuous will end.

The meaning of the phrase is not determined by whether the throne is eternal or not. The passage just says what they do currently, it doesn't say it will continue for eternity. The other two speak of God or people living forever.

None of these passages say the day and night is eternal. Rev. 4:8 says they never stop says, never stop until when? The passage doesn't say they "will" never stop it says they never stop. They may or may not at some point but this passage isn't determining that. Rev.4:9-10 is speaking of God...

For which Scriptures would convey perish or destroyed, I would submit the the Scriptures. As I said, with e exception of few poorly translated passages the teaching of Scripture is that the wicked perish. Regarding Sodom and Gommorha, Jude said it "IS" and example, he didn't say "in a similar...

Jim That is NOT speaking of the resurrection. The resurrection has to do with the body only. And, no, the body is NOT the soul. Jim, it’s right there in the text. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26...

Hi Alsett, That's a good point, which is one of the reasons I debate this subject. There are those who reject Christianity because of this doctrine of Eternal Conscious Torment. I submit that the Bible teaches no such thing. There are few passages that have been poorly translated along with...

Yes Jim, I believe it. But, we need the rest of it. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? (Joh 11:25-26 KJV) Again, Jesus...

Why couldn't it be? God created the devil and the false prophet, why can't He destroy them? Why does olethros have to mean annihilation? If God takes back his spirit and the man returns to the dust isn't he destroyed?

Jim, this assumes they are alive, it doesn’t prove it. Jesus statement speaks of those who partake in the resurrection to life, they will live. The living and the dead a classes of people, it doesn’t necessarily speak to their current physical condition. Jesus uses this language elsewhere. 21...

Yes, in a sense we are all commentators. That's why everything we say has to be checked against Scripture. If what we say doesn't align with Scripture it's obviously incorrect. What does a spirit not being material substance have to do with the fire? People aren't spirits, they are flesh. How...

ATP. What makes make a commentator correct? It's just his opinion. It doesn't make sense to me that say that Gehenna, which is a literal place, is figurative and that the Lake of Fire from a book full of symbolism s and figurative language is real. The only reason I see why one would say...

Jim, This is talking about the resurrection. 37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. 38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him. (Luk 20:37-38...