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1) the rapture is NOT salvation, as the foolish virgins are covenant saints. 2) worthiness is the key to attend the rapture. (according to Jesus) look into it. It is a fact

BTW, can a postibber unpack the 10 virgin parable? Lets look at it and correct me with all the parable's components in tact

No additives needed in pretrib rapture. You are just throwing out generalities. I showed you specifically where your doctrine changes the word of God. What you need to do to debate, is show me where rev 14 is a mistake, and the virgin parable fits your doctrine.

LOL You skip the rapture verses. Try them on at your own risk as they refute your entire doctrine. You have to keep all verses on the table. Skipping the rapture verses is very telling friend

Note the coming of Jesus to gather the elect of rev 14 does not show him touching ground. The rapture of mat 25 in the virgin story also has Jesus comint the virgins,then RETURNING TO HEAVEN ...not in line with postribbers uturn to earth. Total extrabiblical postrib doctrine fabrication. we see...

The second coming does not involve millions of white horses with riders ( saints in white robes) descending from heaven? Rev 14 does not have Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle and harvesting the earth? "The book of Revelation cannot possibly present the 2nd Coming in more than one...

Ok here is something else that makes a postrib rapture impossible. One taken <> left. Postribbers claim the one is taken to judgent and the one left behind is the saint. Note the 50/50 ratio. So we have a satan worshipper WITH THE MARK in bed with a WILLING believer. The satan worshipper is...

can not be the rapture re read it. angels do the gathering...not Jesus they are gathered from heaven...not earth. but just ignore the rest of Mat 24 where we see a pretrib gathering.

and yet the postribber doctrine has to change the components of the virgins parable, as well as the "one taken" dynamic,plus the biggie, Rev 14 in that doctrine can not be Jesus on a cloud holding a sickle. ....all done with no red flags woah

nope. No buying and selling in your timeframe will be allowed. Further, the AC has killed all refusing the mark. Why do you think the Jews are ushered to safety? Why do you think ONLY the 144k are sealed against the flying scorpions???? Mid trib or prewrath raptures can not and will not fit,

Trying to make something fit that is not at all there. The bible says in the same breath as Noah and Lot "one taken,one left" You are reaching so hard friend. The bible is against you . The one taken,left ONLY fits the pretrib rapture model.

Oh dear. WE ALL believe he is coming post trib.

The second coming is in rev 19. millions of white horses blackening the sky. Trying to make rev 14 into that vivid depiction is ridiculous. Totally impossible. You are protecting a doctrine in which you are actually willing to change Gods word. Woah

In rev 14 as well as mat 25, we see two gatherings. One is the rapture, the other is the gathering of messianic Jews. the RETURN of Jesus is after the trib, but can not possibly be the rapure as Jesus vividly declared.

in mat 24 and luke 17, we see two comings, one after the trib, and one before. In rev 14 as well as mat 25, we see two gatherings. One is the rapture, the other is the gathering of messianic Jews. the RETURN of Jesus is after the trib, but can not possibly be the rapture as Jesus vividly...

Jesus used Lot and Noah as examples. Neither fit the post trib assumption.

Glossing over talking points in no way changes them. Your entire premise rests on the far fetched hope that Jesus returns once and that is the rapture. the gathering by Jesus in rev 14 is not the second coming, nor the rapture. Jesus himself declared 2 comings in mat 24 and luke 17, You have...

There is no verse pointing to a rapture postrib. None

It is not "either< > or" That verse does not diminish the gathering of rev 14 as a concise gathering. But I understand your cunning distortions. Again,you sure you want to distort the book of rev? You aware of the consequences?

rev 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and...