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1 thes 4 and mat 24-37 t0 42 ,as well as luke 17 and mat 25 are the rapture. Every bit pretrib. Interesting you know not those verses ,even though they all are rapture verses. But the one you think is the rapture has angels gathering, not Jesus, and they are not gathered from earth,but FROM...

You are close, but miss the picture. The 5 folishish virgins, where YOU placed yourself, not me, are saved. Just as saved as the wise. I only report what is there. I will leave it to others to confuse the foolish virgins as unsaved.

Nobody can bother with or even read the virgin parable, which is the rapture. I have read through some of the threads and have yet to see anyone address the bride and groom component. End times chatter without the heart of heaven. WOW

There is really no starting place of discussion with those that cancel the components of end times dynamics. Whew what a buffet of slop in here.

Rev 14 is basically a mid trib event or closed to the end. so yes the elect are there for the first 3.5 years. we see the martyrs nuber also completed in the first 3.5. If one leaves out the purpose for the trib,(jacobs/Israels trouble,as well as the removal of Lot,or Gods church) it leads to...

No doubt heaven will honor your refusal to be counted with the wise virgins. SMH

Still waiting for the postrib version. Only one dared to venture in,and he rendered the vivid picture of the groom gathering his bride as basically a nothingburger.

no, not what is says. In 19 the beast and the false prophet are thrown into the lake of fire. then the millineum. AFTER THE MIL SATAN is thrown in. (rev 20)

..and yet it vividly describes the rapture of the church. I have seen others try to change "virgins" into bridesmaids to redo what the story is . mat 25;6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their...

Thanks Yes the church is gone and the Lord is now gathering the Jews. That is why ONLY THE JEWS are sealed against the flying scorpions.

You just proved there are no living saints left on earth to supposedly rapture at the second coming. Yet another pretrib doctrine authentication!

It is quite beautiful how God gathers his covenant people that have recognized the messiah. If you read the first miracle of Jesus,it is at a wedding, a Jewish wedding, and wine is miraculously produced without grapes. Also note that Jesus is prompted. I reiterate it is the first miracle by plan...

Nope that is not biblical Romans 11 or so refutes that. Also rev teaches us the Jacobs trouble is God dealing with his covenant wife ,the Jews. The 144k alone refutes your statements

In mat 24 and 25 the church DOES NOT ascend with the bride. The bride is not the church. Solid bible, but you have read what is there without a doctrinal prism. Bible first with the Holy Spirit Doctrine following what is written or shown authentically.

Still waiting on the postribber correct interpretation Be interesting because I have never seen the rapture parable included in the postribber talking points. Surely since you guys invoke the Holy Spirit, it should be super easy to school me on such a simple parable a babe in Christ with a bible...

Ask yourself why you can not open a bible and go toe to toe with me. The Spirit and the bride say come Lord Jesus That is the banner of the pretrib doctrine of Jesus in mat 25. Your doctrine does not agree. You invoke the Holy Spirit in your non biblical assertions. Ironic how you have it...

Pretrib doctrine is solid you just proved you can not go to, or unpack the rapture verses. no problem. I see your retreat from the debate.

Here it is without any pollutants or additives; Mat 25 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil...

Still waiting on a postribber to unpack the virgin parable. If it fits a postrib rapture then I am wrong . Please help me see the light.

if you trust RELIGION over the bible,you can be swayed by man. You are digging an even deeper hole.