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Oh, wow, my bible has nothing of Noah entering the ark after the flood. Where is that, and what version???? In the rapture they are taken bodily. So if you read rev 19,the wedding supper has ended. You are making a pretrib rapture point sir. Not to mention, your doctrine has the dead in Christ...

Mat 24 has 2 gathering ,one befor, and one after ti trib...so that works not in your favor,but the opposite I thes is the rapture with the dead raised fFIRST. (WHICH WORKS AGAINST YOU AS YOU have the dead raised after the living gathered in rev 14) Nothing there of a postrib rapture in those...

Noah went up over a mile and was there for that entire tribulation. then returned postrib. (not anything of a postrib removel dynamic. Same with Lot, He is in no way a post judgement dynamic. Even the 144k are in heaven ,gathered DURING THE TIB Then, in the same chap. Jesus is on a cloud with...

rev 19 1 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings...

You just proved that; a) there is a gathering of saints in haven after the trib. (pretrib raoture doctrine) b) that angels do the gathering, not Jesus after the trib.( so your flagship verse of heavy investment shows us you guys are wrong!) Thanks for agreeing with us pretribbers and showing...

does not fit. Your model has 50% of earths population righteous,and half unsaved. Your model has a demonic entity with satans mark,in bed with an on fire believer. Nope. totally unplausable and not even close. It has to be a subset of earths population. If I was postribber, I would come up with...

We both agree Jesus returns postrib. The rapture is pretrib because Jesus framed 2 COMINGS IN MAT 24 One after, and one before the trib. In your doctrine ,you refuse to acknowledge "before the flood" Jesus returns, and before sodom is judged Jesus returns ,both were pretribulation dynamics. The...

Rev 14. Jesus gathering of Messianic Jews DURING THE TRIB Your entire premse is that there is one POSTRIB GATHERING when Jesus returns on white horses with the saints. I just blew a hole in that so big a ship can sail through it. You were asked to post a postrib rapture verse and were unable to.

Then post a postrib rapture verse. Ok any postribber. Post me a verse.

We see him gathering his elect in rev 14 MID TRB. So your "rapture at his coming " is true. He comes more than once as the bible says. Which you omit. But i do understand you need to reframe the word. I totally understand.

Just take the high ground. You made all kinds of insults against pretribbers, so post a verse showing a postrib rapture. Teach us, Should be easy.

Waiting on a verse. One postrib rapture verse. This is a forum. Lets go. Concept vs concept. I need no insults to debate you. You will go against the bible every time friend. That is my position. Post verses so you can harmonize them, or go against the bible.

You think a grown man such as myself is here to make fun of your picture of your family??? I got a bible. drop the insults and games. I got time ..post one verse .

Yes Any debating should include honesty, and a willingness to be corrected by the word. Most all postribs carry the debate into personal smears and attacks. I have debated them for years. I have never seen one postrib rapture verse. None. They simply can not go "concept vs concept". They will go...

Your deal is man made and has no verses. Post for us a postrib rapture verse.

There has already been another resurrection by Jesus of those in captivity,or paradise. They were seen walking in Jerusalem. and are now in heaven in glorified bodies. The resurrection of 1 thes 4 is only believers. The resurrection after the mil is all the dead. that is what the bible says.

You never did unpack it. You voided it as some Jewish only gathering. It has components. One of which is a 50/50 gathering. Half are left behind. The one taken dynamic is the same ratio, same dynamic of half left. mat 25 is not a Jewish gathering. You have to understand first fruits as part of...

Ok look, you are trying so hard to give me a one dimensional outlook through doctrine. You leave out dynamics, (like your misunderstanding of the remnant believers verses carnal believers) ,or the 2 groups of Christians both Jesus and Paul DECLARE VIVIDLY. The bride IS NOT the entire church. The...

Ok, first off your Noah positioning of the story is bent to your doctrine. You fail to understand what is going on. Jesus frames HIS COMING as preflood. You can,t just recklessly modify the emphasis. You have zero in that story, that relates to the man made postrib rapture. Absolutely nothing...

Noah and family gather into the ark. You ae missing something. "going into" is waht the rapture is. And "before the flood" is NOT POSTRIB, by even the cleverest postriiber. Not to mention,when Noah returned postrib, he returned from being TAKEN UP over a mile into the clouds. Not convinced...