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    Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived

    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Where does it mention his legion of demons here? Nowhere, right? Should we take that to mean his...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Now apply that to Revelation 20:6 as well. Amil combined with NOSAS contradicts what you said---"That eternal life is just that. Eternal. Never ending. You can't lose eternal life". While Premil combined with NOSAS does not contradict what you said. The way you try and get around verse 6 is by...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    I hope you are not meaning permanently.
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    In my mind, Amils do not take 'no more' in Revelation 20:3 to mean exactly what it says, if, in reality, any nations are still being deceived during the millennium. That's hardly the same thing 'no more' means in Revelation 18:21, for example. All I'm asking, take Revelation 18:21, for...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    As to question 1, He is applying that to anyone that falls away, that fails to overcome. One does that in this age, meaning falling away, assuming one does that. As to question 2, if we factor in something like the following, how can it not include every saved person since the beginning of...
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    In the book of Revelation in the KJV the following phrase 'no more' can be found in the following passages. Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of...
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    26 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

    The thousand years aside. Let's assume you are correct, Zechariah 14 does not involve a future millennium. How does that help you out with Zechariah 14:9? How does that make verse 9 already true in this age? 2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or...
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    Hidden in plain sight: Why I believe this about the Revelation

    Prove it using the following to do so. Prove that any Gentile that gets cutoff from the good olive tree after having been graffed into it was never saved to begin with, was never a believer to begin with. IOW, prove that a Gentile can be graffed into the good olive tree without having to be a...
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    26 major reasons to reject the Premillennial doctrine

    Until the 7th trumpet sounds first, Zechariah 14:9 can not possibly already be fulfilled in the meantime. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    I agree with you here. Except I see this causing a problem with your view since you have to include this--until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled--before 'this generation' meant can pass away. Therefore, it puzzles me as to why you even admit GRAMMATICALLY it does, then contradict your view...
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    End times time frames by chapter and fit

    LOL. That was a good one.
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    As to verse 21 and 22 in Isaiah 24, literal vs not literal, is not relevant. It doesn't matter if some of it's literal or not. One thing that is literal though, these many days meant. No way can many days mean only one day. And that presents a major problem for Amil if Amil agrees that Isaiah...
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    End times time frames by chapter and fit

    In my mind, I think the book of Revelation is going to start making more and more sense the fact AI might help explain a lot of it. As to this image that speaks, that's basically what AI is doing.
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    In my view the 2nd death is not even relevant until there is a resurrection of the dead first, and that the LOF is in view. In the meantime since NOSAS is indeed Biblical, some that are initially saved can fall away, which means they are cast into the LOF in the end, the 2nd death. That means...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. 22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    Does this mean you are basically Postmil?? Does this mean you think Christ won't bodily return until at least sometime around or after 3064 AD? Per my view which might not be per your view, is basically this. Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    How do you see that working out, for example, if there is also another preacher called unto prophecy bent for 40 years, except this preacher is concluding post trib not pretrib? Now all of a sudden years of experience is not that relevant after all. Because if things like that prove things...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    and so shall we ever be with the Lord(meaning the dead in Christ that rise first and those still alive and remaining when He returns)1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. Can you show how your view does not contradict this part--and so shall we ever be with the Lord? Ever is a long time, it literally means...
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    Interesting preterist argument

    I agree but not necessarily for the same reasons. Even if the transfiguration were to have happened that same day Matt 16:24-28 is involving, I still wouldn't conclude it is linked in any way. According to the Jews at the time, meaning in another passage, they said Christ said that those that...
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    HIDDEN IN PLAIN SIGHT: Why I believe this about the timing of the NHNE

    No, that is not my position. I am arguing that for a Gentile to be graffed into the good olive tree equals saved. Therefore. just like Jews that were cutoff from the good olive tree equals no salvation for them, the same is true for when and if it happens to a Gentile. The Jews have an apparent...