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  1. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    How does a man having only one arm make it easier for someone to debate with him? :rolleyes: Smarten up! "Heavenly prison of Satan?" Satan does not imprison anybody, and he definitely doesn't imprison any humans in heaven. He has no power over dead humans. Where do you find support for such...
  2. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    Hey, just because you can't understand what I've pointed out, or because you choose not to believe it, that's no reason to accuse me of lying, being stupid, and not seeking the truth of God's word. Just because I don't agree with what you've written doesn't mean that I "do not belong" on this...
  3. keithr

    Who are the 144,000?

    God (Yahweh) is the creator of all things. He created them though His only begotten son Jesus. It's important to recognise God as the creator, and not to believe the false theory of evolution, or life on earth being brought here by alien beings, or any other deception of Satan, because the...
  4. keithr

    Who are the 144,000?

    Seven days of creation? I'm sure it was six days: Exodus 20:11 (WEB): (11) for in six days Yahweh made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore Yahweh blessed the Sabbath day, and made it holy. Exodus 31:17 (WEB): (17) It is a sign between me...
  5. keithr

    The Rapture vs. the Pre-tribulational Rapture

    Verse 20 is not referring to dead people, and it doesn't say he preached the Gospel, just that he preached to them. Verse 19 says it's referring to "spirits in prison". People are humans, not spirits. Dead humans have no thoughts and cannot be preached to. Angels are spirits. This is who...
  6. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    According to Strong's: erchomai er'-khom-ahee Middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] word, ἐλεύθομαι eleuthomai or ἔλθω elthō; which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of...
  7. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Literal translations don't translate it that way: LSV: (3) and every spirit that does not confess Jesus Christ having come in the flesh, it is not of God; and this is that of the antichrist, which you heard that it comes, and now it is already in the world. YLT: (3) and every spirit that doth...
  8. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    I prefer to believe the sources that say "The book is commonly dated to about AD 95" (Wikipedia). See also When was the book of Revelation written?
  9. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Yes, Paul and Silas. I do like "scriptures" because that is how the Greek word graphe is always translated in the KJV (51 times out of 51) and most other translations. It's the most obvious writings that the Jews in the synagogues would have looked in to verify things about the messiah.
  10. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Because I had said "There will be the 1,000 years mentioned later in Revelation", and you asked "Chapter and verse please". So I responded with Revelation 20:2-7 because those 6 verses all contain "thousand years". No other verses in all of the book of Revelation contains "thousand years"...
  11. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    As I wrote in another thread recently: That's not what rwb was refering to when he said "those who are dead yet still alive in heaven". How is Acts 17:11 demonstrating that God's word isn't Scripture? It's saying that whatever someone tells you, if it doesn't agree with God's written...
  12. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    No, I'm not one of those people. (And it's Lord, not LORD.)
  13. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Dead yet still alive?! That's a contradiction of terms! Nobody can be dead and alive at the same time. Why does God need to restore people to life in order to judge whether they are worthy of eternal life? Why would he restore someone to life only to tell them that He is condemning them to a...
  14. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Unbelief of what? I am a Christian, and I'm trying to help others like yourself to understand God's word. I'm also seeking to learn new things from God's word, but like the Bereans I check with the Scriptures to prove what others say. Some of what you have written doesn't tally with the...
  15. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Revelation 20:2-7. No, we don't get to go to be with Jesus in heaven until he returns for the Church - the first resurrection and rapture. It's not until then that the dead in Christ will be restored to life and changed and be given a spirit body. What? Why does Jesus return to the earth for...
  16. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    That's a poor translation. The Greek word anazao means according to the Online Bible Greek Lexicon: 1) live again, recover life 1a) to be restored to a correct life 1a1) of one who returns to a better moral state 1b) to revive, regain strength and vigour They will not be considered alive...
  17. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    There will be the 1,000 years mentioned later in Revelation. Revelation 10 is describing events that happen before the events in chapter 14, which I quoted from. This is before the 1,000 years reign has started, which starts after Satan has been bound. The saints have a heavenly home, in our...
  18. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Only the saints will have immortal life (which is why they cannot die a second death); the rest of mankind that come to believe and be perfected during the 1,000 year reign will have eternal life, meaning that they will be mortal, so they can die, but God will ensure that they do not die, just...
  19. keithr

    What is "Parousia"?

    Which is why I wrote in post #188 - "opportunity to have eternal life, by believing in God and Jesus, and to become perfect humans during Christ's 1,000 year reign". That is the purpose of being resurrected, so that they may come to believe and be perfected, and to gain eternal life. They are...