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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Paul explicitly indicates a sequence in Romans 11:25-26, where the fullness of the Gentiles come in to Israel, and then the partial hardening is removed. There are some Jews coming to Christ, and actually probably at an increasing rate. So, if you want to say both happen over roughly (or even...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Ugh. :) Jewish people are Jewish people, GB, whether Hasidic, or Orthodox, or any other type, or if they consider themselves "not religious" or are unaffiliated with any of the different classifications of Judaism. Ethnic Jews, GB. Good Lord. Are you trying to catch me in some kind of...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    If they claim Christ as their Savior ~ and I know quite a few that have come to do so; we call them Messianic Jesus ~ then I'd say that's pretty accurate. LOL! Oh, my... Well, now that's a really good question in and of itself, but is really irrelevant to what you and I are talking, here, GB...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Well, that's fine that you believe that, RWB, and there's no need to quibble. However, I would ask, do you just believe that because you believe it? Or do you have something in God's Word that you think backs that up? Grace and peace to you, RWB... you crazy ammillennialist, you. :)
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Right, which means, in the apocalyptic, visionary context of John’s narrative, Satan is unable to prevent the spread of the Gospel to the nations. And we see the Gospel spreading like wildfire, especially in places like Africa and Asia. Only if we misconstrue Satan’s deception of the nations...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Our God is a consuming fire, David. Grace and peace to you.
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Sure. :) Right, nobody can claim that Satan is loosed with any real credibility. He may be, but I don't think so yet. LOL! Just pay attention to what you see, Grafted Branch. That's all we can do. My goodness. Keeping records... LOL! No... LOL! Well, no... LOL! But we know it's...
  8. PinSeeker

    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Right, and the partial hardening now on Israel is removed. All of God's elect. Hmmm. Grace and peace to you, RWB!
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    What Paul is saying here, RWB ~ and you can call this my opinion; that's fine with me ~ is that, similar to anyone else not born again of the Spirit and thus not believing, they would see and or hear from Gentile believers and want for themselves what they have, namely Jesus. So, yes, the hope...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    "Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved..." The 'until' there, RWB, says that what has preceded it, the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    LOL! Oh yeah, I've heard of him; he was quite the character. :) Yes, he had a number of... ideas... :laughing: But I'm sure not all of what he believed was bad or wrong. Right; date-setting was always a bad idea. :) He actually left the Christian Reformed Church back in the 1980s and...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I know you don't mean to, but you're taking that verse out of context. Amos is talking about Israel's guilt and punishment there. Regarding what we're talking about, though, when ethnic Jews start coming to Jesus in great numbers in a very short time, it will be a good indicator that Satan has...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Right; cool... Yes, agree... I don't see that as a problem, really, but still something left for Jesus to correct, and... He will. :) LOL! Well, that's very imaginative... :) I would say, Grafted Branch, that we cannot know when Satan is loosed, so until Jesus comes back, don't quit...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    If they do, then... they're wrong. :) And therefore "bad Amills." :laughing: There will be animals in on the new earth, David. All of God's creation will be redeemed and made new. "admit"... I mean, okay... :) Good... Yeah that's actually an excellent point. When God finished His...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Well, this much is true. Jesus is "spoiling" Satan's house, in that He's making what once was Satan's ~ in the sense that He tells some Jews in John 8 that they are of their father the devil (John 8:44) ~ into His. Okay, agree, at least sort of, in the sense of what I said immediately above...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The way you worded that seemed ambiguous to me. Good; no worries. Yeah just this wording is confusing to me. Again, no worries, it just seems much, much clearer to say, His reign in heaven ~ His millennial reign ~ will end with the millennium, and then after Satan's little season and then the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Sure. That's... what I said... Marty, are you saying that the millennial reign, it is Satan who is reigning? Surely not... Okay, so I think ~ or at least I hope, because I would agree ~ that Christ's millennial reign ends "at the end of our world," which is really to say when He returns...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Glorious, is it not? :) Absolutely. Gifted Branch, Jesus is speaking of plundering Satan's house, meaning, He is taking what is His, those given to Him by the Father (John 10), those Whom Satan thought were his. "Spoil his house"...? I don't even know what you mean by that. No, it's not...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It's... not the power of the Gospel that binds Satan. I mean, not to sound offensive, but I've heard a lot in my day, and I don't think I've ever heard anything from anybody proposing that it's the power of the Gospel that binds Satan. I would point out ~ again ~ what Jesus says in Matthew...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Okay, I'm not sure if this post presents the "unsolved problems" that Grafted Branch was speaking of above, but I'm going to speak to this anyway, if you don't mind. Okay, well, I would submit that it can't really be otherwise. Well, yes, except I might change the wording of "until He decides...