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  1. Butch5

    What was the Law that was Changed?

    Because He ended the first one and began the second one.
  2. Butch5

    We FORSAKE Jesus's teaching ??

    Dan, How do yo draw these conclusion's? He is not saying to forsake those things. The point is that they are immature, he is telling the they need to move on to maturity. In other words they need to move past the basics, which were, baptisms, the raising of the dead, repentance, and eternal...
  3. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    My friend, there's no need for any of this. Let's go back to the beginning. As I recall it was you who first addressed me. You ended your post to me with, Now, that sure sounds to me like I was being corrected. I simply answered a question. Martin asked me what I thought of your post and I...
  4. Butch5

    What was the Law that was Changed?

    Did Jesus fulfill that Law? I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Was the New covenant in effect yet or was it necessary for Jesus to die first? read Mathew 5-7 and when you see "but I say unto you" you will be reading the new laws. You've made an assumption here. How do you know that...
  5. Butch5

    What was the Law that was Changed?

    .Are you serious? I 've named it several times. THE MOSAIC LAW [ I just did in the last post. Hebrews 7:11 ( KJV ) If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the...
  6. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    This is an indicator to me that your argumenit is not strong.. There is no stubbornness on my part. As you've may have noticed, I have addressed each of your issues. On the other hand you've not addressed mine. I presented the Greek grammar twice. It is not my opinion, or my interpretation. I...
  7. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    Yes, he gave gifts to men, He also gave apostle to the church, and evangelists, and pastors, teachers, and the rest.. But, notice, the gifts are mentioned separately from the the others.
  8. Butch5

    How can a Person under the Law be saved ?

    The New Covenant was given to the house of Israel. The Gentiles were only grafted in after the Jews as a nation rejected it. Jesus' laws are mostly contained in the Sermon on the Mount. However, one must read all of Jesus' words and the teaching of the apostles to get it all. Dan, You never...
  9. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    They're differeces of gifts, administrations, and operations. But what does this have to do with Ephesians 4?
  10. Butch5

    What was the Law that was Changed?

    What are you talking about? The Mosaic Law was put to and end Jesus came and gave a new law Isaiah 42:1-9 ( KJV ) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor...
  11. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    I'm not stuck on the word gifts.You keep pointing me to 1 Corinthians yet the issue is Ephesians 4. Paul doesn't say He gave gifts or offices. He says, He gave some apostle to the church, He gave some evangelists to the church etc.The Greek grammar doesn't allow the interpretation that you are...
  12. Butch5

    What was the Law that was Changed?

    It was the Mosaic law that was changed. When Christ came He gave new laws.
  13. Butch5

    Why Acts 2:38 is misunderstood ??

    It may not be in Acts 2:39. but it is in Mathew 28:9 Matthew 28:19 ( KJV ) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
  14. Butch5

    How can a Person under the Law be saved ?

    Dan, did you read my post? I said if you're talking about the Law as given to Moses no, but if you are talking about the Law Christ gave yes. Jesus said, he who keeps my commands, it is he who loves me. Jesus didn't give the command to keep the Sabbath Don't know what you mean here Not at...
  15. Butch5

    Why Acts 2:38 is misunderstood ??

    I know your doctrine. You apply Acts 2:38 to the Jews only correct?
  16. Butch5

    Gifts of the Spirit

    I guess it depends on your definition of entirety. Does that mean every word or does it mean that all of the concepts in Scripture apply to you? In doing that aren't you doing just what you complained I was doing? You said my method allowed me to pick and choose the application of Scripture...
  17. Butch5

    How can a Person under the Law be saved ?

    If you're talking about the 10 commandments given to Moses, no. If you're talking about the commandments that Jesus gave, yes. Jesus gave pretty much those contained in the 10 commandments with the possible exception of the Sabbath
  18. Butch5

    How can a Person under the Law be saved ?

    These are some of the truest words I've seen on a forum in a while. Well, Dan, Let me ask you question. You say it was all to Israel. Then how are you saved? Jesus said, I have only come to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That leaves two options. One, Paul was wrong and no one is saved...
  19. Butch5

    Why Acts 2:38 is misunderstood ??

    What's your point?