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  1. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    No, God does nothing through Himself. He just does things. Romans 11:36 is not talking about what God has done. It's simply saying that without Him we'd have nothing. God even used a figure of speech here. It is impossible for the same thing, i.e., all things, to be "by," "through," and "to."...
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I've explained 1 Tim 3:16 several times. The English translators deliberately changed a word so it would fit with the trinity. I'd have to use a bit of scholarship to show that, so, knowing you're not into scholarship, I'll refrain from doing so. Maybe one of these days your interest will be...
  3. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Well, here's what I got out of Isaiah 55: God is willing to forgive even the most villainous of people. Most people are not like that. Isa 55:7, Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our...
  4. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I didn't write; 1Cor 8:6, But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. Nor did I write; John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus...
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Jesus told some Pharisees that tradition makes the word of God of none effect. I guess it's nothing new. Still you'd think what you, I, and a few others here, have said would at least make them re-consider their position. It has to be spiritual forces that makes someone accept that which defies...
  6. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    And you know that, how? In what other ways am I insincere?
  7. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Sorry, but I just don't see the word "Jesus" in either John 1:1 or 1:14. All my Bibles say the "word" or more precisely, the Greek word "logos." G3056 λόγος logos (lo'-ğos) n. 1. a word, something said (including the thought). 2. (by implication) a saying or expression. 3. (by extension) a...
  8. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Do you know of any examples in normal language (and there's no indication God did not use normal language) where one person goes "through" themselves to do something. That's a non-sequitur. John 1:1 and John 1:14 are talking about the "word" (Greek logos). No matter how bad we want to change...
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, Jesus was certainly in the world. Otherwise we'd all be sunk! And Israel certainly rejected him. You can tell that by the crucifixion. To say the world was made "by" Jesus is a misleading translation. The word they translated "by" is the Greek work "dia. G1223 διά dia (d̮iy-a') prep. δι-...
  10. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Yes! God saved us through His only begotten son, our living Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. It reminds me how Joshua, whose name means "Yahweh saved," led Israel from the dessert into the promised land. That must have been some day. But our leaving this earth to meet Jesus in the air and be...
  11. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    "God is spirit (John 4:24). Jesus is flesh (Luk 24:39). The two don't mix (John 3:6)." These are the verses I quoted. How does that ascribe sin to Jesus? And if it does, it's not me. God authored those verses. Does John 4:24 not say God is spirit? Does Luk 24:39 not say Jesus is flesh? (not to...
  12. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Exactly! I forget where, but the Bible says something like, "even a fool need not err therein."
  13. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    But one can have the essential nature of God and a servant at the same time? God is spirit (John 4:24). Jesus is flesh (Luk 24:39). The two don't mix (John 3:6). Having God's spirit in Jesus did not make him God any more than Christ in us (Col 1:27) makes us Christ. It's still little 'ol me. I...
  14. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Very true! While I don't think anything you say is particularly wrong, you might want to do a word study of "godliness." It is used about 15 times I think. Strong's Concordance: G2150 εὐσέβεια eusebeia (ef-se'-ɓei-a) n. 1. well-reverence. 2. devout reverence in attitude, conduct, and deed...
  15. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    I must say, you have a very unique view of things. :) I know you want to make Jesus God and that is the reason you say "morphe" in Phil 2:5-7 is concrete in nature. There is no other justification for doing that. The doctrine proceeds the scriptures. The scriptures must fit the doctrine. Sorry...
  16. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Well, this isn't the best venue for an extensive exposition of the scriptures. You wisely took the time to look at the context. Anybody could easily do the same for themselves. The main point was what the word "form" means. It means an outward appearance and I think 2 Tim 3:5 was sufficient to...
  17. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Gen 4:20-21, 20 And Adah bare Jabal: he was the father of such as dwell in tents, and [of such as have] cattle. 21 And his brother's name [was] Jubal: he was the father of all such as handle the harp and organ. Gen 17:4, As for me, behold, my covenant [is] with thee, and thou shalt be a...
  18. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    An essence, the essence, same essence, whatever. The fact is there is nowhere in the scriptures that mentions oosia (essence) in the scriptures. But you can find it used in Plato's writings as well as other Greek philosophers. It'd be strange indeed if God had to rely on Greek philosophical...
  19. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    I think you may have misunderstood me. Perhaps I wasn't clear. Let me try again. Genesis 1 makes it clear that the seed of something, plant or animal, always produces offspring with the same nature as the parent. An apple seed will produce another apple tree. It won't produce an orange tree. A...
  20. Rich R

    A Form of godliness

    Good point. Thanks!