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Here is what I understand EG.... The words BORN AGAIN, if I remember corrctly, maybe I don't,,, appear one time in John 3:3,5 Do they ever appear again in the NT? So why do they have to appear in Hebrews 6:4-6? You have not replied to my question: Is a person that is: ENLIGHTENED...

You should know what Hebrews 6 teaches. It's not difficult. The persons spoken of in Hebrews 6 are particular. It is a JEW becoming CHRISTIAN and then RETURNING TO JUDAISM. It's a slap in the face to Jesus' sacrifice. See posts 857, 860, 866 YOUR post 860 explains this perfectly from that...

Here we go: But Hebrews 6:4-6 states VERY CLEARLY that they HAD BELIEVED but were RETURNING to thier PREVIOUS STATE OF NOT BELIEVING. Hebrews6:4-6 4For it is impossible to bring back to repentance those who were once enlightened—those who have experienced the good things of heaven and shared...

Yes sir. Don't take away anyone's assurance of salvation! Even though the NT does not guarantee salvation UNLESS the conditons are met. IF they are met,,,then we can rest in Jesus and be secure. Maybe it is prideful to think one can be unconditionally secure... have never thought of it like...

Hey EG Just saw the above. But if I reply, we're going to derail this thread. Leaving aside your last sentence... we can all agree that, yes, if the cross is denied,,, we remain in our sins. 1 Corinthians 15:17 NLT 17And if Christ has not been raised, then your faith is useless and you are...

BUT there is no point of no return ! In your post no. 860 you PERFECTLY explained that some Judaizers were returning to The Law. They were abandoning Christ having full well understood the concept of His sacrifice for sins. Thus they were treading on His blood. It is not easy for someone that...

Haven't followed but I do want to agree with you here. I seem to remember seeking mercy many years ago... knowing full well that no one deserves justification... although, through God's mercy we end up with that too. Blessed are the humble. Blessed are the poor in spirit. Because they...

Still don't know what "they" taught that is wrong. John was speaking about gnostics of course. They definitely taught incorrect doctrine.

Never having understood your position and not having time to follow each thread fully, I don't really know what you mean by religionist types. I may be one of them for all I know. I have a very simple idea of Christianity. 1. Believe in God. 2. Obey God. But I get pushback anyway.

Personally I enjoy reading the word salad these persons post. It's most interesting to see how they take a very simple and clear verse/passage, and force it into their own understanding of theological topics. I find it to be most creative. And desperate.

No use telling you God's word bdavidc. You don't believe it. You bring your own undersanding to it instead of letting it speak to you.

OK Yes. Seems history just abruptly ended when the last Apostle died. I was wondering what the early church taught that was wrong.... you haven't stated it. Also, when the early church is mentioned...we don't really mean while the Apostles were still alive. I think the Apostles taught the...

I think we could make a movie out of all this talk. So many differing opinons. No theology. But so what...with so many stories about this and that. I enjoy reading those members that state that others are preaching a different gospel. Never stopping to think that MAYBE just maybe THEY are...

Where have I seen that before?? :IDK:

What is the early church? Name one way it went wrong. Just curious.

@Lambano They use Hebrews 6 to invalidate conditinal eternal security. They believe that by invalidating CES.... it would necessarily mean that OSAS is correct and no one can ever leave God since it would be impossible to return to Him. As you've shown... Hebrews 6 CAN be used to show that...

If I've understood you correctly, we agree. Some use these verses to show that God will not accept a person that RETURNS to Him after having committed apostacy. This is not true. God will accept any person at any time. There is more joy in heaven over one repentent sinner... The Prodigal...

:Laughingoutloud: Oh no. The Grammar Guru strikes again ! Get ready for more to come!! You have your work cut out for you.... :exeex

Jesus taught that there's heaven and hell. Hell is where God is not...we're not sure what it would be like. If Jesus was wrong then: He was a liar or He was crazy. A crazy man that went to a horrible death because He THOUGHT He was some kind of god or something. What we must ask ourselves is...

Apparently Jesus, Paul, the writer of Hebrews and ALL of the NT writers do not agree with you. Paul said we can fall away.... Jesus said our house could fall.... Jesus said we must endure to the end.... Ditto for the writer of Hebrews. Jesus said that if we do not do the works HE wants us to...