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  1. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The title of the thread is "the Church is not the bride of Christ". Who, in your view, is "the bride of Christ"?
  2. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The purpose was to make sure he hadn't run in vain--to verify his Gospel was accurate. How could he do that? By asking those who would have known best what the Gospel was.
  3. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Romans 16:25 says the Gospel was kept a mystery, so, no, it could not have been the same Gospel. They had hints, etc, but it was kept a mystery in ages past. Gospel means "good news", so, yes, they heard "good news" (Abraham heard that he would have innumerable offspring, etc), but it was not...
  4. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You said that the Gospel of the remnant of Israel differed from the Gospel of Paul, because their salvation wasn't secure, but our salvation is secure, and you used John 15, which says they could be cut off, to prove this, but "Paul's Gospel" contains the very same warning (Ro 11:17-22), so, do...
  5. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    You mean "uh-oh, my story is falling apart"? LOL! Matthew 16:18“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church According to you, those who hear and believe "Peter's Gospel" become part of "the remnant of Israel", which you say is Christ's bride, whereas those...
  6. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    When Paul wrote "one faith", Peter was still around, and those who believed "Peter's Gospel" were still around--again, your story doesn't check out.
  7. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    He's saying that you had better not rebel against God's message of Good News about His Son which you are hearing today, because OTHERS IN THE PAST rebelled against God's message to them (which, in fact, was "good news" to them--that they would inherit a land, etc)--the reason the writer uses the...
  8. GracePeace

    Mary as New Eve

    The ordinary and universal magisterium is considered infallible in its teaching of faith and morals. This means that when the bishops, in union with the Pope, agree on a teaching on faith or morals, and propose it as definitively held, that teaching is considered infallible. The ordinary...
  9. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The believing Gentiles are remnants of their Gentile nations (the rest of their nations are lost and are being destroyed), they are not remnants of the nation of Israel. They become part of the commonwealth of Israel, yes, but they are categorically not the remnants of the nation of Israel. LOL
  10. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yeah, Jesus is the offspring of David, and is the King of the Jews, the Christ (Messiah). What's the problem?
  11. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    The way forgiveness works is that the priest makes atonement, and, after that, then God forgives--Christ made atonement, and now God forgives. When Peter preaches Christ's sacrifice, he preaches God's forgiveness. Leviticus 4 20‘He shall also do with the bull just as he did with the bull of the...
  12. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Yeah, and, accordingly, Paul says the Gentile believers, who neither possess (Ro 2:14) nor know the Law (Ro 7:1), qualify as "doers of the Law" (Ro 2:13, 14, 26, 27)--even without observing the days the Jews observe (Ro 14:5, 6).
  13. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Because he was humble enough to want to verify it, because he got it by private revelation, not from men. Because Jesus already said He was sending Paul to the nations (Acts 9:15). It does not follow from "Paul says 'my Gospel'" that he is saying "My Gospel is different than Peter's"--that's a...
  14. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    @Doug Matthew 16:18“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church According to you, those who hear and believe "Peter's Gospel" become part of "the remnant of Israel", which you say is Christ's bride, whereas those who hear and believe "Paul's Gospel" become...
  15. GracePeace

    Mary as New Eve

    Again, the IC, which, in part, rests upon the foundation of Mary as the New Eve, is a doctrine declared ex-cathedra.
  16. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    Waiting for your responses.
  17. GracePeace

    THE CHURCH IS NOT THE BRIDE OF CHRIST

    "Faith" is simply believing what God says, what ever the message is. Abraham, for example, believed God that his descendants would be numerous as the stars (Gn 15:5,6). The Gospel was a mystery in the ages past (Ro 16:25). Today, however, there is one faith--because there is one Gospel, one...
  18. GracePeace

    Mary as New Eve

    The claim of infallibility is a a very big claim, and it, apparently, rests on provably shaky ground.