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Matthew 18:15-20

So, Peter is a member of the Church right?

So, Peter is part of the Church, right?

Is Peter part of Christ's congregation that the gates of hell will not prevail against, or is he not part of that?

Irrespectively, Jesus gave instructions about if a person sins, you go to them personally, then, if they don't listen, bring other witnesses, and, if they still don't listen, bring them before Christ's Church/Congregation, and if they still don't listen, kick them out of the congregation, and...

Irrespectively, do you deny Peter was part of Christ's "Church", which just means "congregation"? Even Doug conceded that much.

That I know of, I cannot accept the Marian dogmas. I already reject "faith alone". I already know you all know God--just like the Calvinists, the Orthodox, the Lutherans, etc. But everyone demands that you adhere to all or nothing, so I haven't joined any of them. Also, for me, the buck stops...

Great, now I hope we can all focus on the topic of the thread--Doug's insane claims that the Church is not the bride of Christ.

Congratulations on being the only living infallible human being! LOL! Anyway! Moving on!

Protestants tend to be REALLY "touchy" about the passage, but their issue has nothing to do with any ambiguity in the text (clearly, "upon this rock" refers to Peter), but is nothing more or less than a simple unwarranted allergic reaction to Catholicism; that said, again, as I said to the other...

Accept that people disagree with your view, and move on. I will not be responding to any more of your off-topic messages on this thread.

@Doug Some of the fatal flaws in your view : 1. You say that believing Israel was unsecure in their salvation, but we are secure, because John 15 says they could be cut off, yet, in "Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles", which you say differs from "Peter's Gospel to Israel", he also warns that those...

It is not the topic of this thread, so it shouldn't occupy more of the discussion. I will now repost what I see as some of the fatal flaws in @Doug's view, and ask you to move on.

Nope, as stated, not Catholic. As explained, I see the statement "upon this rock" as sandwiched between two addresses of Peter, thus I read it as referring to Peter, who had just been renamed "Rock". I also see Peter as the foremost Apostle, as explained.

No, the context is Jesus RENAMES Peter as "Rock", then says "upon this rock", then says He gives the keys to "you" (singular), so the subject never shifts from Peter. Sorry, that's just how I read it.

He most certainly is. As noted, the subject never changes--Jesus names Peter "Cephas", the rock, then says he will build His Church on that rock, then says He gives the keys to "you" (singular), Peter. No, but I recognize Peter was the foremost Apostle, and, indeed, his name is on the...

@Doug Some of the fatal flaws in your view : 1. You say that believing Israel was unsecure in their salvation, but we are secure, because John 15 says they could be cut off, yet, in "Paul's Gospel to the Gentiles", which you say differs from "Peter's Gospel to Israel", he also warns that those...

Peter is clearly, for what ever reason, the foremost apostle. Peter was among the three Jesus brought with Him on the mount of transfiguration, was among the three He brought to pray with Him, was the one who confessed Jesus had the words of eternal life, was the one who preached at Pentecost...

So... you don't see a flaw in your logic? Christ says that Peter is the rock He builds His Church upon, meaning that Peter is both part of "believing Israel" and part of "the Church", making him, according to you, both part of "the bride" and not part of "the bride". OOPSIE! LOL!

I not only discard your assertions, I bring reasons why they are absurd so as to prevent others from being confused like you are.