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IOW, you don't believe the rapture and the last trump(1 Cor 15:51-57) precedes the great white throne judgment? According to Revelation 20:11-15, everyone standing there in front of Christ are described as the dead. No one, once what is recorded in 1 Cor 15:51-57 has happened to them would still...

And what does that obviously prove? It proves they were born again. And not, they physically die, then they become born again after they have died, thus the first resurrection. That's backwards and not even Biblical. Why can't Amils see that the first resurrection is being applied to them after...

Even though I'm not an Amil myself I do comprehend your point here. And it would be a valid point assuming the first resurrection is involving being born again, something Jesus never needed to do. But if it in meaning a bodily resurrection in this case, as Premils tend to believe, your argument...

Can you explain in what way this would equal them overthrowing the faith of some? ---------------------------- overthrow anatrepw anatrepo an-at-rep'-o from ana - ana 303 and the base of troph - trope 5157; to overturn (figuratively):--overthrow, subvert. ---------------------------...

In Revelation 20 the following is meaning the 2nd resurrection and is obviously meaning the resurrection unto damnation. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. He that alleges must prove. If you don't believe me, ask @WPM since he is the one that uses...

That would be a good point except that is not the way he is reasoning it. He already showed how he was reasoning it. He used 1 Corinthians 15:23 to do so then explained why it would be the 2nd resurrection if coming from the perspective of 1 Corinthians 15:23. Whether he is right or wrong, there...

Here you are flat out lying about me. I have no Premil mentors. Since I have a brain of my own I am perfectly capable of reasoning through things on my own, I then form my own conclusions first, then I sometimes check other sources to see if anyone else is coming to the same or similar...

To add to my post #91 since it is being ignored thus far by Amils, I submit this. Even those cross reference sites where you can check cross refs, that if you submit Daniel 7:22 it lists Revelation 20:4 as a cross ref. That if you submit Daniel 7:21 it lists Revelation 13:5-7 as a cross ref...

FWIW, I get your point loud and clear. I have no reading comprehension issues with what you are arguing and why you are arguing it the way you are. That's what's wrong with Amil here. The way they are interpreting Revelation 20:4 does not flow into verses 7-9. They have it disconnected from...

No doubt about it Amils are clearly twisting what the first resurrection in Revelation 20 is pertaining to, that being the bodily resurrection of saints in the future. In regards to that you and I are on the same page. I'm just not seeing, at least not yet anyway, the alleged connection with...

Here's my thinking on it, right or wrong. It obviously can't be involving what is recorded in Revelation 20 pertaining to the first resurrection if John hadn't even seen these visions yet. Duh! Right? IOW, they couldn't be trying to confuse anyone about Revelation 20 if Revelation 20 didn't even...

The OP claims it has it has Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture. Let's see if that might be so by looking at some of this per the following angle. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them(Revelation 20:4) Let's start with...

Total nonsense and here is why. Apply escaping the 2nd death for all of eternity then tell us a bodily resurrection is not required to do that. You are reasoning these things in vaccuum here. You are not even factoring in that no one, including the saved that has already died, can escape the 2nd...

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. What I have underlined what do you take that to be involving? As to what the text plainly says, only one of the following options can...

Let's do some comparing then, right? Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them...

The first resurrection is? A) the bodily raising of saints B) being born again Obviouly, it can't be both. Amils have already decided it is meaning B). Premils have already decided it is meaning A). What have you decided it is meaning? Before you try and answer that, obviously one has to be...

But we are talking about the beast here not satan. Premils do not agree satan is currently in the pit but do agree the beast is in the pit until it is released. Then once it is released it fulfills it's 42 month reign. You don't perhaps think satan and the beast are one and the same, do you...

Apparently, you would have us believe that within a same literal 60 minutes, Christ is first going to raise the saved, billions of them, judge and reward each and everyone, one at a time, BTW, then within that same literal 60 minutes Christ is then going to raise all of the lost, billions of...

I don't see that being problematic for Premil, and one reason why is the following. Plus you already provided the solution when you said this--They are changed in a moment and caught up to be with Jesus in the air. 1 Corinthians 15:51 ehold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we...

Can you not understand that Amil has the beast in the pit the entire thousand years? As if it makes sense that while it is in the pit this is when one can be martyred for their faith by refusing to worship it. Here's an idea. Revelation 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a...