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  1. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I think I'm beginning to understand now. The Israel of today, the one you visited in, is no more God's chosen people than the man in the moon. I'm not sure what I said that would have been construed to say otherwise, but one human trying to convey his thoughts to another does not always work out...
  2. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Whether Jesus knew or not is irrelevant. Even if he did know he would have kept it a secret. He certainly would not have told it to anyone else Paul would be a liar. The "other sheep" could not have been the church. There will be plenty of Gentiles admitted into paradise. Remember the...
  3. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    If Jesus had spoken about the church to make known its end times, then it would hardly have been a secret, the one that God kept secret until He revealed it to Paul, the one about the church. There's really no way around that I can see. Rom 16:25-26, 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish...
  4. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I have no problem with you. I think you have some good ideas, even if they're not exactly like mine. I'm not the standard for truth you know. :) I just don't know exactly what you mean by, "The Jewish State of Israel." Rom 9:27, Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the...
  5. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I don't think we're talking the same language here. :) What do you mean by, "the Jewish State of Israel?" Not even knowing what that is, I would hardly have an inside track on it.
  6. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Odd conclusion. All I said was that there is more than 1 trial in the Bible. How does that water down the events Israel will face in Revelation? Why do you keep quoting verses written to Israel before Pentecost as though they were meant for you, while ignoring the verses written specifically to...
  7. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Is it possible that there are more trials than those in Revelation? I think so. For example, Israel has already had some trials. Heb 11:36, And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: Look at the context of 2 Tim 3;12. Paul was talking...
  8. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    1 Thess 4:17, Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. We'll meet Jesus in the clouds (not the earth) and we'll be with him from then on. When he does come to earth to fight the...
  9. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Read Matthew chapters 24 & 25 where Jesus was speaking to Israel about the end times. Notice all the calamities they will face, the same ones in Revelation. Also notice all the times he tells them to be alert, to look for signs, to be prepared and not get caught short handed. Then Read 1...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Instead of focusing on the word "law" maybe we should consider the significance of "the spirit of life" and "death." Do you realize that you are in a small minority? Not that numbers determine truth. I just wonder why you are so concerned about my salvation when there are billions who think the...
  11. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well, it's hard to answer a non-sequitur. Since I never said there is no resurrection, it'd be impossible to prove why I said there is no resurrection. If you stopped holding your breath you'd get more oxygen to your brain. I already told you, but here it goes again; "The dead shall be raised...
  12. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I would guess that God had some reason for using different words. I should point out that the Greek words for "rising" and "resurrection" are related but not identical, for whatever that's worth. I don't think you and I are that far apart. I think our difference lies in the timing of events. At...
  13. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    And this is a 2nd attempt to get you to give me a quote. I could say that you said God is the devil, but I wouldn't be able to quote any actual words that you wrote along those lines.
  14. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    There you go again! You are reading for yourself what Jesus said to somebody else. Do you realize that Jesus was speaking to the same people in Matthew that God told to bring a sacrifice to Him every morning and evening? Why do you act on Matthew while ignoring Leviticus? They are both meant for...
  15. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I said the word "resurrection" is not found in either of those two verses. True or false? Look at the Greek if you want. Maybe it would be better if I told you what it doesn't say, namely, "The dead shall be resurrected incorruptible. "Raise" and "resurrected" are related, but not identical...
  16. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Sorry, but the church was still hid in God when Jesus was here. The church was the mystery that wasn't know until God revealed it to Paul. The church officially began on the day of Pentecost, but it was some time before the significance of that event was totally understood. Acts is a transition...
  17. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm not sure what I said to make you think 1 Cor 15:52 and 1 Thes 4-16-17 are different events. But to set the record straight, I do understand them to be describing the same event. However, I don't think that neither Thessalonians nor Corinthians are talking about either of the 2 resurrections...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Maybe consider that the difference between the OT law and NT grace is not that they had sinful flesh but we don't. We both have sinful flesh and sinful flesh sins. That's just what it does. The difference is that we in the NT have the option of walking by the spirit. We can choose to walk by the...
  19. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Well, there is this; John 5:27, And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 1 Cor 15:28, And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all...
  20. Rich R

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I'm sorry to keep saying it, but you are really confusing to whom and when God speaks. I exhort you to look into that. You don't have to believe me. There is tons of information out there about the different peoples and times in which God moved. He dealt with different people in different times...