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  1. Butch5

    In Jesus name or the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit?

    Hi Joshua, You seem open minded so let present my case. Ephesians 2:8 is usually quoted out of context. Christians quote it and say anything we do is a work, however, in Ephesians 2:8 Paul has something specific in mind when he say they are not saved by works.Remember this is a letter not a...
  2. Butch5

    Protestant Reformation

    Well, my friend, there were men and women who were martyred for God's word long before the Reformers, and they didn't believe what the reformers taught. So, which group are you going to listen to and associate with? You see the Reformed doctrines can only be traced back approximately 500 years...
  3. Butch5

    Protestant Reformation

    Really? What about Luther, when the peasants start to rise up against him he suggested the royalty exterminate them. What about Stephen Servetus? When he set himself in opposition to Calvin, Calvin said if Servetus ever comes to Geneva, if my authority is worth anything he will not leave alive...
  4. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    Jesus doesn't choose our lives for us. You're proof texting the passages. I also find it hard to believe that you don't sin.
  5. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    It seems I misunderstood your post, please accept my apologies. I think there are two ways to understand what Paul may have meant. Paul told the Ephesians, they were sealed wit the holy Spirit of promise. At the time Paul wrote to them the gifts of the Spirit were active, so this seal could be...
  6. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    OK, but was Peter a follower of Jesus or not? He lied three times, you said a single lie will send a Christian to hell, what happened to Peter? Regarding Hebrews 10:26, you said, When a person who is spiritual commits a sin there is no longer any repentance. Can you give some support for that...
  7. Butch5

    Is the Holy Spirit to be Worshipped?

    We are to worship the Father. The Spirit honors Jesus and Jesus honors the Father.
  8. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    That's not what John is saying. When John wrote 'If we say we have no sin, the truth is not in us' he was addressing Gnostic teaching. The Gnostics were people who claimed to be Christians yet they perverted Christian doctrine. They taught that Jesus the man was not the Christ. They taught that...
  9. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    Can you please supply some evidence to support this? I know you gave Ananias as evidence, but that does not state that a single willful lie sends one to hell, so it doesn't really support the statement you made. For instance, in the passage Peter specifically says he lied to the Holy Spirit...
  10. Butch5

    Closed communion

    Different church have different methods. You speak of doing it wrong, but Jesus didn't give any instructions on how to do it. You said you take a wafer, my church also uses the wafers, however, Jesus didn't he use a loaf. You see I take the communion very seriously, I believe that it is tied to...
  11. Butch5

    In Jesus name or the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit?

    Actually, salvation is tied to water Baptism. Thief on the cross was saved under the old covenant as Jesus had not yet died. However, If God chooses to save one without baptism He can, but the command is to be baptized.
  12. Butch5

    Protestant Reformation

    Not many have changed with the Protestant church,
  13. Butch5

    Closed communion

    There is not blessing promised in the communion, and Paul's condemnation is a reference to a specific situation happening at Corinth at the time. Paul is not saying if you take the communion flippantly you will receive damnation (although it is not a good idea to take it flippantly). In Paul's...
  14. Butch5

    Closed communion

    The video is wrong on multiple levels. Firstly, he says the practice of closed communion goes back to the early church fathers, and that you should only have communion with those with whom you agree. What he doesn't tell you is that the early church had a universal belief. They did not have...
  15. Butch5

    Should we pray to God or Jesus or both?

    We are to pray to the Father. There is nothing in Scripture that tells us to pray to Jesus, Jesus Himself prayed to the Father. When we say "In Jesus name" we are saying that we are addressing the Father having been given this authority as follower of Jesus, in other words, we are addressing the...
  16. Butch5

    Protestant Reformation

    I think the inital intent was good, but I think the reuslts were near disasterous.
  17. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    There is no defense of the doctrine. First let me state that salvation isn't lost like one loses their keys, it is lost when one rejects Christ. Let's Look at the passages you presented John 10:27-29 ( KJV ) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them...
  18. Butch5

    Is it ok for a Christian to kill people?

    You can present many different scenarios, the bottom line is, will we obey Christ or not? You see there are some serious issues here that should be dealt with. I suppose you pray to God for healing for your friends and family when they are ill. Does God have the power to cure disease? I suspect...
  19. Butch5

    In Jesus name or the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit?

    We are to be baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, per Jesus' words. I suspect that being baptized in Jesus name is just a short way of saying it. At the time the apostles were baptizing it was necessary to distinguish whose name they were being baptized into. Remember, some...
  20. Butch5

    If Eternal Security Is Conditional...

    Once Saved Always Saved or OSAS as it is commonly referred to is "Not" a biblical doctrine. There is no confusion if you search the Scriptures. There is a boatload of Scripture passages that warn against falling away from the faith, there is "NOT" one single passage of Scripture that says a...