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Your use of John 6 and Romans 9 does not support your claim. John 6 is speaking of the disciples and Romans 9 is speaking of the Jews.

Sorry friend, that verse does say repent and be baptized and you will receive the Holy Spirit. Your example in Acts 10 was a onetime event to show Peter and the Jews that salvation had gone to the Gentiles also. Jesus had told the apostles at the Great Commission to all nations and make...

Tallman,I will respond to your post, I have been busy for a few days.

Ok, I thought we were saying the same thing that is why I didn't understand.

What exactly is it that you think I am mistaken about? It seems you have basically said the same thing I did.

Acts 2:38 tells us how to receive the Holy Spirit.Acts 2:38 ( KJV ) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Not when read in context. The speaking in tongues was...

The question was does one have to be baptized with the Holy Spirit to be born again. It's during water baptism that God cleanses our sins. Peter said repent and be baptized for the remission of you sins. Look at Jesus example' date=' when did He receive the Holy Spirit? Upon coming out of the...

I believed the gifts were active for many years, yet never received one nor spoke in tongues. I also new of no one who had received one or spoke in tongues. Then I started to study the Scriptures and I have found a multitude of evidence in the Scriptures that state that the gifts would end. I...

I haven't gone because the gifts are no longer given. If you look at the NT you will find that the gifts were given through the hands of Jesus' apostles. Since they are no longer around I don't see how anyone could have them lay hands on them. Paul said the gifts would cease, and tongues was for...

So the question is what did they believe? could it be that they were apostles of John the Baptist? Since they didn't know that the Holy Spirit had come, they obviously where not Jesus' disciples.And where did you get 25 years?James 3:1 ( KJV ) My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we...

I'm not sure I follow you. Are you saying that anyone who has not received the baptism of the Holy Spirit as it was bestowed in Acts 2 on the apostles is not a Christian?

Actually Christina, the Holy Spirit is receive at the time one is water baptized.You are correct on your assessment of the gifts, and no speaking in tongues is "not" the evidence that one is saved.

One receives the Holy Spirit upon water baptism, this is the one that saves. This is when one is born again.

So then what is your argument against the OP?

Did He physically harm anyone?

His coming to bring a sword is a metaphor for division. Christ is the judge, He can do as He pleases, however, that does not give Christians the right to.

Here is the understanding of the Early church.The Early Church Fathers: Ante-Nicene Fathers Volume 1Justin Martyr 160 AD.we who formerly used to murder one another do not only now refrain from making war upon our enemies, The Early Church Fathers: Ante-Nicene Fathers Volume 1Justin Martyrand we...

Hi Miss Hepburn,You will find that I am not mainstream. I have studied the early church and found that much of what is taught today is wrong. The Christianity of today is not very much like The Christianity of the 1st century. Also, I am not so sure about the description you gave about what was...

Notice in the OP, he is speaking of the time "After" the Messiah has come, not before.