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  1. Butch5

    God does not drag all....

    God is calling all people now. John 1:6-9 ( KJV ) There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true...
  2. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    Yes, it is. However, this Scriptrue is not teaching us that death is a separation from God. That may be inferred from the passage but the passage is teaching us that those reject Him will be cast into the lake of fire. I am not arguing that that is not a logical deduction, What I am saying is...
  3. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    Maybe you can explain then why Peter baptized Cornelius and his household? Also why did Paul have Gentiles baptized?
  4. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    I understand this passage to be speaking of water baptism being a representation of our being born again. The old man I understand to be the old life of sin. It is the old life that we are crucifying.
  5. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    No friend, that is not what I am saying, I don't know how you drew that conclusion. No, I am not. I am saying that Christ can and does forgive sins, however, He does so according to His word. No, I am not. What I am saying is that the verses you posted show that baptism is more than just a...
  6. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    I have to disagree. How is one spiritually crucified with Christ? I thought one was born spiritually dead. Also Jesus did not say you must be spiritually resurrected or you must be resurrected of the spirit, He said you must be born of the Spirit. Notice when Jesus speaks of the spirit He says...
  7. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    If you read each of these verses carefully you will notice that they do not say absent from the body "is" present with the Lord.
  8. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    Titus 3:5 ( KJV ) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
  9. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    No, that's not what Christ did on the cross, that is washed with water. Titus 3:5 literally translates the bath of regeneration, and Eph. 5:26 says, the washing of water by the word. The word here is not Jesus. It is the Greek word "Rhema" not "Logos". Rhema means the written word. These are...
  10. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    My point is that the Scriptures don't speak of Spiritual death. You said death is a separation, can you give me Scripture to show it is used this way?
  11. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    Where do the Scriptures teach of one being Spiritually dead? If one was Spiritually dead wouldn't Jesus have said, you must be resurrected of the Spirit? But He didn't He said you must be "Born" of the Spirit. Think about this, Jesus said you must be born of the Spirit, yet when speaking of the...
  12. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    Spiritual death or Spiritual inability? The two are different. Paul uses dead as a metaphor, that is clearly shown in the Scriptures I posted. One is not Spiritually alive and then dead and then alive again. Alive and dead are just metaphors, dead in Eph 2 means they were unable to do anything...
  13. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    It is not the water that saves, as Peter tells us. It is God who saves. However, as Scripture teaches us God uses water. We can see that God uses water by looking at Scripture. Notice Noah was saved by the flood, the Israelites were saved by the Red Sea. Naaman was cleansed of leprosy in the...
  14. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    Actually salvation is not the most important issue in the Bible, it is a secondary issue, a means to an end. Then primary issue in the Bible is the Kingdom of God. Jesus and that apostles preached the kingdom of God, not personal salvation. Salvation is an issue but not the main one. Having...
  15. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    The new covenant had not yet been instituted when the thief was saved.
  16. Butch5

    A Fresh Look At Salvation

    A few questions, 1. Where dos Scripture teach that Christ was a sacrifice "to" God? 2. Where does Scripture teach that one receives that Spirit upon belief? 3. Where does Scripture say one cannot lose salvation? 4. Where does Scripture teach that baptism is a symbolic act?
  17. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    Maybe you could show me where a single one of those verses you posted speaks of spiritual death.
  18. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    Actually, the verses you post do not support your claim. It says the carnal man cannot understand Spiritual things, it says nothing about being dead. Romans 8:7 speaks of the mind set on the flesh, Why can't it submit? Because it is set on the flesh. Now, if you want to use Paul's metaphor to...
  19. Butch5

    Freewill and Choice have NOTHING to dowith Salvation

    Dead is trespasses and sin is a metaphor, the person is not spiritually dead. There is nothing in Scripture that speaks of being spiritually dead. Paul is simply using a metaphor to express the condition of the lost.