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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, Google it, and you'll see that the Bible is really written at about a 6th grade reading level. Are all those sources insulting? I don't know...I don't think so. I think it's just stating a fact. Sorry if it offended you in any way. Like I said, it was certainly not my intention. Take...
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Yes, but that is never God's intention. The fact is, it takes great humility to walk out in believing that you can speak in tongues, to believe God that if you move your tongue, your lips, your throat, He'll give you the words, words you yourself can not understand. 1 Cor 14:2, For he that...
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Very true. Good point. That is why Paul gave very precise instructions on how the manifestations should be used in a church meeting. Our fellowship is always decent and in order. We usually have several people speak in tongues with interpretation. We also have many who prophecy, a message from...
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I do. Often. Why? I like speaking the wonderful works of God (Acts 2:11). I like to magnify God (Acts 10:46). I like giving God thanks well (1 Cor 14:17). I like speaking mysteries with God (1 Cor 14:2). There's more, but just that ought to be enough to pique someone's interest. Of course to...
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    It wasn't meant to be an insult, just a fact. It is a very simple grammatical construction. That's all I was pointing out. I have little doubt you are intelligent enough to understand it. I just think you prefer tradition, which is your prerogative for sure. How did I not answer your question...
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    You are free to call tongues a gift when God calls them a manifestation. However, it is highly unlikely you will really understand the spiritual matters Paul mentioned in 1 Cor 12:1. For example, you will be unlikely to understand that tongues are in fact under the control of the individual...
  7. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Of course tongues are spiritual. That is why they are listed as part of the "spiritual matters" of 1 Cor 12:1. However it is clear that there are more spiritual matters than gifts talked about in the subsequent verses. To you tongues is a Gift. To God tongues is a manifestation. Don't you...
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    You mean the words that God purified 7 times? What a game player He must be in your eyes!
  9. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I'm pretty sure you are talking about 1 Corinthians 13:10, 1 Cor 13:10, But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. But verse 12 is highly relevent, 1 Cor 13:12, For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Just a force? The force be with you? I think your reading a whole lot into what I say. But let's forget about what either you or I say and see what God says. Luke 24:49, And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power...
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    That's like the United States giving up its defense forces. Russia and China would love it! I wonder what would happen? I don't think the devil stopped seeking whom he may devour after the 1st century. A good look at the world today ought to prove that. He is winning largely because too many...
  12. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Sort of yes and sort of no, but mostly no. In Genesis we see that man's body was "formed" from the dirt. We also see that man was "created" in the image of God. God is spirit, not dirt! In general, God knows the difference between "formed" and "created" and we ought to take them the way he...
  13. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Good question. Perhaps you are right. Like I said, I'm not completely sure about the greater works, but you make a good point. I was also thinking that the greater works could be leading a person dead in trespasses and sins into the new birth and eternal life on a perfect earth. Obviously...
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I'm afraid you're not being as careful as you think. Let's look at 1 Cor 12:1-10. Verse 1 tells us that Paul is about to speak of "pneumatikos" which means "spiritual matters." So what are these spiritual matters? As you correctly pointed out, verse 4 speaks of gifts. However, that is not the...
  15. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Indeed! A key to understanding 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14 is that they are mostly talking about how to behave in a church meeting. Indeed, that is the context for most of 1 Corinthians. The Corinthians were really blowing it when they got together as a group, so Paul had to straighten them...
  16. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Good call! You just opened another Biblical research project. Acts 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. gift here is the Greek word "dorea" in this...
  17. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    It may come as somewhat of a surprise to most Christians to learn that the scriptures calls tongues a manifestation. In every English and Greek version of the scriptures that I know of, tongues is unambiguously called a manifestation. A manifestation is not the same thing as a gift. Regardless...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I may be a liar in your eyes. I appreciate your candor, though I don't see it the same way. But, all that aside, we're not talking about me. We are talking about people being created. Am I right on that part? Do you not see there is a difference between "created" and "formed?" God is not...
  19. Rich R

    Homosexuality Being Accepted And Embraced By Christians

    The only way someone can be offended by someone else is if they give that person the permission to do so.
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Other than Adam, what other man was created? You weren't. You were born form Adam's seed. By the way, so was Jesus! Does not being created therefore make us all God?