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Abraham about to kill Isaac: Gen 22:12, He said, “Do not lay your hand on the boy or do anything to him, for now I know that you fear God, seeing you have not withheld your son, your only son, from me.” God didn't know if Abraham would follow through or not until Abraham raised the knife...

Tons of stuff just like that in the scriptures. He's not a bully. He's a loving God who would never overstep our free will. He gave the man Jesus the mission and it was up to the man Jesus to follow through or not. Making Jesus God completely obfuscates the incredible effort Jesus, by his free...

Glad your not my judge.

I get it now. Little slow, but I got it. The only difference between our belief is the pre-existance of Jesus. I think it was in God's mind and yo think it was literal. I think I have it right now? :)

Oh gosh, no. That was just something I've been called the other day. I'm just glad burning "heretics" at the stake is out of fashion!

You are right about that! Never saw that before. It seems about half go one way and the other half goes the other way. But it seems strange that the names of those who would not be saved were doomed from the beginning. Why would God get angry at anyone who had no chance of doing the right...

"...through whom also he made he worlds." "He" refers to God. "Whom" refers to Jesus. The word "through" is Greek "dia" and it means through or by. Agency is a good way to look at "dia." When and actor goes THROUGH (Greek dia) their agent to get a contract, does the agent become the actor? I...

Your zeal is admirable to be sure, but, like Saul persecuting the Christians, it is highly misdirected. I find it notable that non-Trinitarians seldom, if ever, excoriate Trinitarians with such vitriol as you've exhibited here. I would never say anything to you like that. You are my brother and...

Not all gods are Yahweh. G2316 θεός theos (the-os') n. 1. (properly, in Greek) a god or deity. a supernatural, powerful entity (real or imagined). To the ancient Jews (including the early Christians who were pretty much all Jewish) the word "god" had a different meaning than we tend to have in...

Oh my gosh! You are just hell bent on condemning me no matter what I say, even when I give you a compliment. Stunning! All I can say is thank God for the scriptures: 1Cor 4:4, For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. For the record, I...

I totally agree with you that we can't ignore any scripture. They must all be included and agree. What I don't see is how 1 Cor 8:6 doesn't say that only the Father is God, thus eliminating the son as being God. I understand you don't see it that way. How does it not say that only the Father...

Rev 13:8, And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Clearly Jesus wasn't actually slain until the early 1st century. Until then it was only in God's mind. This is a good example of...

I appreciate you kind words. It will indeed shake out in the end. As you also appeared to say, I think the trinity is confusing indeed, whereas a son not being his own father is a very simple, easily grasped, concept. We do it all the time without thought. Regarding Mr Smith; I'm not sure that...

As a believer in the true oneness of God, thereby denying the trinity, I'm called many rather unsavory names. Perhaps "rank heretic" is most common. So who is Jesus to a "rank heretic?" In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb. In Leviticus he is the...

Who is Jesus to a "rank heretic?" In Genesis he is the promised seed of the woman. In Exodus he is the Passover lamb. In Leviticus he is the High Priest. In Numbers he is the star to rise out of Jacob. In Deuteronomy he is the two laws: Love God and love your neighbor. In Joshua he is the...

I never doubted the deity of Christ any more than I deny the deity of all born again believers. 2 Pet 1:4, Through these He has given us His precious and magnificent promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, now that you have escaped the corruption in the...

One that caused a s...storm! :) What's there now is not at all what I originally posted. Basically, it was about Jesus not being God. Although I believe he is the son of God, and therefor not God Himself, I don't want to cause offense to those who think differently about that. I understand it...

What exactly does, "coming down from heaven" mean? Specifically, what did it mean to the ancient Jewish people? It's not the same as we in the modern West think. No. But, I'll look at it anyway. :) Check out "the host of heaven." Basically, God created many angels and other spirit beings...

You are looking at pre-existance from our modern Western point of view. Maybe you didn't catch it, but I did offer a different view, namely, how the ancient Jews viewed pre-existance. It was Greeks, notably Plato, that spoke of the immortal soul. That was a radical departure from the view held...

To be born again and be a Christian one must confess with their mouth the Lord Jesus and believe God raised him from the dead (Rom 10:9). I did that, so I am a Christian. If you look, I've quoted many verses that would make the trinity impossible, 1 Cor 8:6 being but one: 1Cor 8:6, But to us...