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  1. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I see your point and it certainly can't be ignored. On the other hand, neither can 1 Cor 8:6 be ignored. It says that only the Father is God. The question becomes one of squaring the two apparently contradictory statements. I know there are several verses that could be taken in a Trinitarian...
  2. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Context plus a question mark doesn't count for anything? Plus, wouldn't word, "was" (which you left out of the quote) mean something also? I think most got the point, as bad as it may have been. :)
  3. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I searched for the phrase "Jesus is God" in my Bible program. Tried several versions. Nothing came up. Which version do you see the phrase, "Jesus is God?"
  4. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Jesus said many times he was the son of God. Never said he was the Father (the only God as per 1 Cor 8:6). The Pharisees got it wrong. But there is actually more to it. In the Ancient Near East (including Jews, those to whom God gave the scriptures) considered the eldest son as virtually equal...
  5. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    God is in the image and form of God? It says that about Jesus and us, but I don't see where God says He's in the image and form of God. Matt 1:18, Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with...
  6. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    There are also a multitude of scriptures that would make it quite impossible of Jesus to be God. You should be able to find them in those threads. I've given many multiple times. Clearly we can't have discrepancies in the scriptures. They all have to fit one way or the other. I know all the...
  7. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    No, I'm quite sincere. Just trying to be nice about.
  8. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I meant showing that the verses I quoted don't show that we are in the form and image of God. We're talking about scriptures, so it'd be nice to use them to make your argument. As it is, you are not saying anything different that what the Pharisees said to Jesus. They couldn't use scriptures to...
  9. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Being more interested in the scriptures than tradition, I'd be interested in seeing which verse says, "Jesus was God." You know, something as clear as Acts 2:22. Acts 2:22, Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs...
  10. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    The Pharisees were convinced Jesus had a devil. John 8:48, Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? Any comments on the actual OP?
  11. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Where does it say, "Jesus is God?" Of course the answer is, nowhere. Instead it is inferred that him being in the image and form of God as him actually being God, so I was wondering why us being in the same form and image of God doesn't make us God also. I hear Col 1:15 and Phil 2:6 used as...
  12. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I'm taking Genesis 3:5 too far? I just quoted it. Didn't really go into much else about it. I suppose I could have left it out altogether and maybe I should have. Humor me and pretend I did. :) It's irrelevant to my main point anyway. My main concern was, if being in the form and image of God...
  13. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Well, this is from the OP: 2 Cor 3:18, And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into - His (Jesus) image - - - with intensifying glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. The word "transformed" is the verb form of the Greek word...
  14. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    All good, but it still doesn't explain why we being in the form and image of God, doesn't make us God. Apparently it makes Jesus God. Why not us? I think John 10:18 also raises questions for Trinitarians. Why would one part of God receive commandments from another part of God? If Jesus...
  15. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    I'm open to other solutions if you have one. I just know that as Jesus is in the image of God and in His form, so are we. If that makes Jesus God, why doesn't it make us God?
  16. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Technically you are right. Thanks!
  17. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Yes! Jesus is called the son of God some 35 times. Never called God the Son, which does nothing but cause problem after problem in understanding God's will for us. In no other arena of life would one think a son can be his own father. Just shows the power of tradition to think such a thing could...
  18. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Sorry for causing any bad feelings. I should have been more charitable. I can do that if I choose (I really am born again :)), but I chose to cause contention instead. So I ended up learning a lot from these threads. Forgive me my indiscretion. I'm comforted that Jesus, sitting at the right had...
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    ??????? Rom 10:9-13, 9 that if you confess with your - mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your - heart that - God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. 11 It is just as the...
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Well, right out of the gate you are inserting a foundational and critical tenet of the trinity that simply is not in the scriptures. It comes from outside the scriptures, namely Babylonian, Egyptian, and other Pagan religions. They have god-men, but nothing in the scriptures about that. The...