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  1. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    No, because I didn't quote from those pages - they were brought up by other contributors to this discussion. Again, I wasn't using that source in my original post, it came up later in the confusion over what the Catholic Encyclopedia II did or didn't say on page 263. The fact that Encyclopedia...
  2. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    The words have been preserved, even if the original first handwritten parchments have been lost. In the same way, all of the Bible has been preserved even though the original first handwritten documents have been lost. It is revealed - you can find it on the Internet for free! My first name...
  3. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    The implication was that because the Catholic Church knew that the Jews had preserved a copy of the original Gospel of Matthew in the Hebrew language and that they (the Church) had corrupted their Greek manuscripts, that they were deliberately concealing the truth. How many members of the...
  4. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    It seems that the Jews had a copy of Matthew's Gospel in Hebrew (and Matthew may have written his Gospel first in Hebrew, and either later wrote a Greek version or somebody translated it from Hebrew to Greek), which they studied and used in their arguments against the Christians. Most Christian...
  5. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I think that Acst 19 is interesting: 1) While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul, having passed through the upper country, came to Ephesus, and found certain disciples. 2) He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” They said to him, “No, we haven’t even heard that there...
  6. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Yes, I found several web pages which claim that the Catholic Encyclopedia II, page 263, says "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century", but it's clearly not there (you can check here -...
  7. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    But as I quoted from The Encyclopedia of Religion & Ethics concerning all Eusebius' writings, “The facts are, in summary, that Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19 21 times, either omitting everything between 'nations' and 'teaching’, or in the form 'make disciples of all nations in my name', the...
  8. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    BroRando's quote was from chapter 6, which is titled "Against Those who think that the Christ of God was a Sorcerer" (see Eusebius of Caesarea: Demonstratio Evangelica. Tr. W.J. Ferrar (1920) -- Book 3 - search for the line beginning (132)). He finished the paragraph with: "What similar daring...
  9. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    I wasn't aware of the term Trinity being used before 381 A.D. I still think it's supsicous that nobody thought at the Council of Nicaea to mention the Trinity, after 2 months of debate, if the whole point of that Council was to decide on who Jesus was, and his relationship to God. This would...
  10. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    This seems suspicious too. It mentions "the name of the Trinity", but the Trinity wasn't officially formulated until the Council of Constantinoble in 381 A.D., 130 years later. (The Council of Nicaea in 325 AD declared that God and Jesus were a duality, with the pagan Roman emperor Constantine...
  11. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    You obviously didn't read my first post, which includes: “As having learnt by tradition concerning the four Gospels, which alone are unquestionable in the Church of God under heaven, that first was written according to Matthew, who was once a tax collector but afterwards an apostle of Jesus...
  12. keithr

    Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

    Matthew 28 (WEB): (19) “Go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you”. When I was baptised, about 27 years ago, I was insistent that I should be baptised in...
  13. keithr

    The 144,000 in Revelation 7

    That is not what Revelation 17:8 says!: "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they...
  14. keithr

    The 144,000 in Revelation 7

    Indeed. God's promise to restore the nation of Israel was fulfilled in 1948, and Jews have been returning to the land of Israel ever since, as prophesied. So clearly the seed of Israel does still matter to God. Ezekiel 37 (WEB): 15) Yahweh’s word came again to me, saying, 16) “You, son of...
  15. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    And in the nursery rhyme there were three blind mice. It does not mean that there must be three persons making up God! So what? Aaron says Jehovah will bless, keep, shine His face upon, lift His countenance upon, and give peace to thee. That's five things. Repeating God's name three times...
  16. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Actually Joseph simply obeyed God - he did what the angel had told him to. He wasn't acting by faith, he had a personal message from God - it doesn't take much faith (belief) when God speaks directly to you! Mary and Joseph were both instructed to name him Jesus (Yeshua), which means 'Yahweh...
  17. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Note that Jesus says that his father is our God, and that he knows God. Therefore Jesus is not claiming to be God, he's claiming to be God's son. Plain and simple to understand - no hint of a binity let alone a trinity here! Or a better translation into English would be, "Most assuredly, I...
  18. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Well not Jesus, obviously, and not people (especially those preaching the Gospel because the Gospel hadn't been revealed at that point). From the context of the passage, from verse 4 to 14, Paul is comparing Jesus with the heavenly angels. If you read the passage then it will be obvious that...
  19. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    Indeed, that should be the case. Actually you asked 5 questions. The first seemed rhetorical and sarcastic, and I commented on it by saying "It's irrelevant to whether or not the Bible does or does not teach or support the Trinity doctrine". I then answered your more serious questions. It...
  20. keithr

    The Only True God, the God of Jesus Christ.

    But that does not mean that Jesus and his Father are the same person, nor that they are a team or partnership who collectively claim to be our God (and there's definitely no indication of a threesome in that statement). The verse that you quote is John 10:30. Note the immediately following...