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  1. keithr

    Hell

    I'll stop answering soon! :) But no, I don't think God is Santa Clause. The flood was for specific reasons, mainly because of the genetic corruption of the human race by the fallen angels taking on human form and interbreeding with humans (Gen 6). God has also intervened on other occasions...
  2. keithr

    Hell

    No, I've not been to Israel, but I don't need to go there to believe that the Bible account of Sodom and Gomorrah is a true literal account. However, what has that event got to do with "hell"? Yes, it will be Jesus. 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 (WEB): 6) Since it is a righteous thing with God to...
  3. keithr

    Hell

    I disagree with it; I do not believe it to be the truth! It is inconceivable that God would torture millions/billions of people for all eternity. That would make God the most evil, most sinful being ever. I don't believe that! And the Bible doesn't support that idea. Remember that what God...
  4. keithr

    Hell

    I don't lie, and I'm sure I didn't make a mistake. I didn't claim that you said that! I was asking you if that is what you thought. I say that the rich man and Lazarus story is a parable, and therefore not to be taken literally, but you claim it is not a parable - you said "This is a very...
  5. keithr

    Hell

    Okay, I reread your response, which was: "Hell was not originally created for Man. It was created before Man was created. It is the final solution for the Devil and his own." So you seem to be saying that hell (sheol) was not created for mankind, therefore the question of why it will be...
  6. keithr

    Hell

    Yes, and just to make it easier for kcnalp I'll quote Acts 2:31 for you: (Act 2:31) he foreseeing this spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that his soul wasn’t left in Hades, and his flesh didn’t see decay. Peter was confirming that Jesus' soul had gone to Hades (Sheol) just like...
  7. keithr

    Hell

    So are all poor people going to end up on Abraham's bosom when they die? Do you think that is literal? Do you think that poeple in Hades/Sheol and Abraham's bosom will be able to call out to each other and have a conversation? (That is contrary to other Scripture verses.) No, it's not a...
  8. keithr

    Hell

    You're ignoring verses of Scripture that don't harmonise with your ideas again, the verses that I have quoted to support my understanding, such as: (1Cor 15:51): Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, So Paul thinks that dead Christians are in a sleep...
  9. keithr

    Hell

    Did you not read his reply (#81)?! He was quoting 1 John 2:16-17, which says: "For everything in the world—the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, and the boasting of life—is not from the Father but from the world. The world is passing away along with its desire, but the one who does...
  10. keithr

    Hell

    You obviously haven't bothered to read my previous replies in this thread, where I have already commented on that. From reply #45: John 3:36 is the prophet John the Baptist saying, "One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys the Son won’t see life, but the wrath of God...
  11. keithr

    Hell

    The verse I quoted (John 3:16) says "perish", from the Greek work apollumi which means to destroy fully. Okay, let's discuss this parable. Yes, it is a parable. I have heard some commentators claim it is not a parable because one of the characters in the story is given a name, and no...
  12. keithr

    Hell

    No church has persuaded me that. But why don't you believe that what the Bible says it means? The Bible says: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:16) So why don't you believe that those...
  13. keithr

    Hell

    You didn't address the question that VictoryinJesus asked you, which was: "Once the lust of the flesh, the lust the eyes, and the pride of life is no more what need is there for a prison?" From what you've written before I'd guess that your response would be that we're all immortal and will...
  14. keithr

    Hell

    I said it does not matter because it will be in an unconscious state. It will remain in that non-functioning state forever - effectively dead - unless God awakens it from that unconscious state and gives it a new body. That is what we are told in God's word to us, so that is what I believe...
  15. keithr

    Hell

    You have not understood that whatever part of us that is not physical, not made of the dust of the earth, wherever it goes does not matter, because it will be in an unconscious state - we will sleep, as Jesus, Paul, God, etc. liken it to. It only awakens when God gives it a new body, whether...
  16. keithr

    Hell

    If you can't recognise when God is using symbols and types, etc., then you'll end up misunderstanding the Scirptures. Oh, wait, you have misunderstood! :D
  17. keithr

    Hell

    Of course I don't believe that! I quoted from 1 Thessalonians 4 which implies that dead Christians remain dead until moments before the rapture. The rapture hasn't taken place yet, so they are still dead. Here's another passage from Paul confirming it (1Cor 15:51-53): 51) Behold, I tell you...
  18. keithr

    Hell

    If they are instantly with Jesus then why does Paul say that "the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a shout, ... The dead in Christ will rise first, then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. So we will be with...
  19. keithr

    Hell

    And they are quite right to reject the trinity doctrine. Jesus refers to Yahweh (God) as his father and his God, e.g.: (Rev 3:12) He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of...
  20. keithr

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    I didn't make it up. We are told by John, who wrote Revelation, that it was symbolic: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John" (Rev 1:1). He says...