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  1. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    1. No, and, likewise (because it's the same issue) the one who goes against what he believes in 1 Co 8 is condemned for sin. He did the same act as those other Christians did, but he could not do it with faith, so he sinned and was condemned because anything that does not come from faith is sin...
  2. GracePeace

    Jesus : Taking A Vow Is Of The Evil One

    This is addressed to the so-called "Torah Observant" Christians, the modern Judaizers : why, if we're to serve by Torah, did Jesus say that you are doing a work of the evil one if you do as the Torah permitted and make a vow? Matthew 5 33“Again, you have heard that [z]the ancients were told...
  3. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Actually, he does : "if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh". What deeds of the flesh? Sins. Where do sins come from? Desires. The things the flesh desires. They are contrary to the spirit.
  4. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    What is objectionable about the flesh is the flesh's desires that war against the soul and kill it. No, actually, you agree with me, though obliquely, that what is objectionable is their boasting. It does. Sin led to condemnation and death. Sin leads to condemnation and death. And he's...
  5. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Also the epistle of 1 John--and without which concept Paul's writings make no sense, as I've been proving. No, God being savior doesn't completely remove man from the equation--that sounds logical, but it doesn't regard Scriptural precedent (Judges 7:2). Nope, it is borne out throughout...
  6. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    OK Obviously you don't--we're having a discussion in which you deny anyone can at all be in at one moment and out at any other point. "Walking after the flesh" is contrasted against "walking after the spirit". The desires of the flesh are contrary to the desires of the spirit, so "walking...
  7. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    So, you don't believe that 1 John actually teaches "true believers", those born of God, never sin.
  8. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    1. No, my concept of remaining comes from all of Scripture. 2. Likelihood is not addressed in that portion, only the possibility of remaining or not remaining is addressed. No, contingency is not even addressed in v1. He merely addresses the blessedness of the ones in Christ. He nowhere...
  9. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    I meant that proving not all Christians always remain is not necessarily the same as proving some Christians ultimately fall away, because it's been conceded by some on your side that, sure, Christians don't always remain, that sometimes they walk after the flesh, but, they will argue...
  10. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    So, you believe Romans 7 describes the life he lived BEFORE Christ, it doesn't describe his Christian life, right?
  11. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    When I observe that not all remain in Christ, the operative idea is "remain"--they are part of Christ but do not remain. I dont thin we agree there.
  12. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Do you interpret Romans 7 as pre-Christ or post-Christ?
  13. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    Abuse of Scripture : the next verse says he thinks it is right for him to say so because of the good works they had displayed. It doesn't apply to everyone, only those who are cooperating with grace, as he says, "obey... for it is God at work". So, yes, for every person who is ultimately saved...
  14. GracePeace

    No Condemnation For Those In Christ, But... Sinning Believers Are Condemned Ro 14:23?

    1. Don't misrepresent things. The case I set out to make was the reason there is no condemnation for those in Christ (Ro 8:1), yet the believer who sins is condemned (Ro 14:23), is because not all remain in Christ (1 Jn 1:28) by obeying His commands to I. Believe,and ii. Walk in love (1 Jn...
  15. GracePeace

    There is no such thing as “Judeo-Christian”

    Paul, who knew this reality better than any of us, didn't spend his whole life harping on this one thing--AND he LONGED for the Jews' salvation. Too many people who recognize this truth are hateful toward Jews. That is not right. Stephen's last words were "Lord do not hold this sin against...
  16. GracePeace

    There is no such thing as “Judeo-Christian”

    Oops! He was crucified for humiliating the leaders of Judaism, rejecting their religion and authority (Mt 15)! They couldn't bear Him stripping them of the praise and honor. Their Judaism wasn't true to Scripture Jesus submitted to! So, no, Jesus, though "King of the Jews", was not, in that...
  17. GracePeace

    There is no such thing as “Judeo-Christian”

    "Judeo-Christian" seemingly refers to the shared agreement on the moral validity and authority of the Old Testament texts. In that sense, there is a "Judeo-Christian". On the other hand, yes, there is no "Judeo-Christian", because they are "displeasing to God, and hostile to all men" (1 Th...