StanJ
Lifelong student of God's Word.
I have no idea what you mean by 'literal or spiritual'? Bible is a spiritual handbook and the deals with all kinds of things. The point is you have to understand this style that's being used and not a sign it yourself. It's already there but if you can't identify it then you won't understand it and you'll end up isolating like you're doing now.Jun2u said:I was not agreeing with your understanding of James 5, I was merely agreeing that James 5 can be read either way literal or spiritual. I also said, ultimately God has in view the spiritual meaning, and then explained my reasons why.
Well if you have to ask then you're definitely not understanding what James is writing here. As I said before it's a pretty basic plain English, at least for most of us.Jun2u said:What has forgiveness of sins to do with petitioning God to heal someone's physical illness? We pray and plead to God to heal/save and to forgive someone's sins because he is spiritually ill and NOT because he is physically ill.
I rarely if ever agree with anything Barrd says, but that's not really the point is it?Jun2u said:In that case, we can rule out the story the Barrd enfolded here because the baby did not understand the matter of faith. I realize Barrd's post came after you posted.
You know this type of condescension really doesn't work on me right? All it really shows is just how little you understand. I read nothing that says it went to believer dies his Essence goes to God. The fact that you don't actually understand what Paul says in 2 Cor 5:8 is again your problem not mine. It's very clear in my mind that Paul is expressing a desire not a reality. Do you not think that Paul knew where home was going to be? Did he not say that he did not want Believers to be ignorant about what would happen when Jesus returns? Did Jesus not say that no man has ever seen God? Me thinks you should take the time to actually study what God's word says instead of being condescending towards others who know what it says. You don't seem to understand that even though Jesus defeated death we still die and we are still raised at his return. You want to try to figure those issues out first I would think.Jun2u said:O Stan...Stan, is this what you have learned after years of studying the Bible that you cannot get the bigger picture? Did you not read that when a believer dies in his soul/spirit essence he goes to be with the Lord Jesus (2Co 5:8) confirming that he is healed/saved in his soul/spirit essence evidenced by his body returning back to the dust? Do you know why his body goes back to the dust? Because it has not been healed/saved yet until Jesus raises him up on the last day. This is the concept many non-OSAS do not understand. I apologize, I know this is the wrong thread for this however, it needed to be said.